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THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY
(09-15-2018, 06:39 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: Does actually give Trump and his cronies the precedent to go after all of the Clintonmachine just as hard.

FG, people have spent my entire life going after the Clinton's. Years and millions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them down, if there was something there they would have been nailed for it and yet, in little more than a year Mueller has gotten indictments and guilty pleas from trump associates. It just looks silly and desperate to continue to bring up the Clinton's. trump does it too, almost daily. Smiley_emoticons_smile
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OKay, so you are convinced I am wrong and I am convinced you are wrong. We will revisit this later I guess and I am more than happy to do a mea culpa if I am proved wrong.
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If Clinton didn't have any loose baggage she would have won. Thankfully for America that is an impossibility considering her persona.
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Just to clarify, while our presidential elections do depend on the electoral college, Secretary Clinton did get millions more votes than the deranged one because millions more people preferred her over him. That is all...
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Yes, about the same numbers voted for him as voted for her as him both in the mid 60 million votes him with about 64 million and her with about 66 million. He did beat her though. She should run again Smiley_emoticons_smile
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trump has so completely fucked up the republican party that top GOP officials in Kansas including their former governor and senator are rejecting Kris Kobach for governor and endorsing the Democrat!   28
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I sincerely hope he's not fucking up in terms of the trade wars he's ignited with all of our biggest trade partners.

I always agreed with candidate Trump in that trade with China needed reform, especially when it comes to their lifting of our intellectual property. But, I do fear that President Trump going about it so bullishly is going to backfire bigly and hurt a lot of people/industries within our economy.

If anyone else is interested and struggling to keep up with the tit for tat trade tariff tiffs going down, this is a good short summary of where things stand today (with specific attention paid to China). https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/09/...532457249/
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It will definitely hurt short term, but force business to at least explore the business model of procuring stuff domestically. That could be a boon if we can keep policies in place long enough.
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(09-15-2018, 06:04 AM)Duchess Wrote: Pence is no better than trump and in some ways worse, he knows how to fly under the radar. Manafort recommended Pence as VP. Pence ran the transition team. I'd like to know if he has spoken to Special Counsel Mueller or his team yet. If he has, I'd bet a lot that he lied to the Feds. They're all sketchy, lying bastards.

I think there is a possibility Pense is "Trump's Deep Throat". He also may be behind the New York Times op-ed. He does stand to benefit the most if Trump leaves the Office of the President. Pense knows how to keep his mouth shut but make supportive declarations when asked questions, knowing full well he can't speak the truth or say what he really thinks. I also think Pense's religious morals are deeply offended by Trump giving Pense a moral calling to do something.  
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(Yesterday, 02:45 PM)Duchess Wrote: trump has so completely fucked up the republican party that top GOP officials in Kansas including their former governor and senator are rejecting Kris Kobach for governor and endorsing the Democrat!   28

They are going to be fine. No impeachment. This FISA declassification and the testimonies of Ohr, Page, Baker, Lynch and others will sink so many.

Kavenaugh is in and they won't be able to stop that. Even if Dems win House (and I don't believe they will), they will not win the Senate and so with it goes hopes of Impeachment. Trump will push forward.

Hell I did not think he would manage to build the wall, now I am thinking he might.
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(Yesterday, 09:23 PM)BigMark Wrote: It will definitely hurt short term, but force business to at least explore the business model of procuring stuff domestically. That could be a boon if we can keep policies in place long enough.

I understand your point Biggie.

It's a risky bet with a lot at stake and I don't see too many economic and trade experts supporting these trade wars though.

Personally, I don't support businesses being forced to explore local procurement anyway.  That drives prices up and choices down for consumers and closes off huge international markets to U.S. producers.  I disagreed with my man Bernie on that trade point (he and Trump were pretty much on the same page in that regard).

$12 billion of our tax payer dollars are already going towards supplementing farmers negatively impacted by the new tariffs.  And, the U.S. budget deficit has grown more than it's ever grown in such a short period of time since Trump took office (even though he was elected under the conservative/Republican umbrella).

If the painful 'short term' you mentioned is any longer than another few months, I think it's gonna hurt our economy a lot for quite some time and will backfire on Trump politically.  

In my opinion, most taxpayers aren't going to be happy having our money re-allocated to bailouts, bailouts to industries which are designed to keep Trump supporters loyal.  In addition, those citizens and businesses who actually benefit from and support the recent tax cuts (without concern about the resultant increase to national deficit) may not remain supportive if prices/costs increase more than their taxes decrease.

We'll see how it goes.  Hopefully the gamble will pay off for the U.S. rather than isolating us economically as our trade partners turn to alternate suppliers.
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