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RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN 2016 US ELECTION & SPIN-OFF INVESTIGATIONS
The attorneys lied to the DOJ about their recommendations after that the DOJ stepped in to stop rogue prosecutors. The 4 resigned from the case before they were removed or fired for what they did. Like it or not they know what they did was wrong. It goes against all sentencing guidelines & they lied to the DOJ.
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The chief judge of DC that's the big boss of this case released a statement that they won't be pressured into any decisions that they fairly and legally make.
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Good to read but sucks that someone would have to come out & actually say that.
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It's courageous though considering how vindictive Trump is to anyone that doesn't kowtow to him.
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It's especially sweet to know it was another woman who stated that.  Smiley_emoticons_smile


By any chance did you see the standing ovation Marie Yovanovitch got when she went to receive an award? It made me happy to see her honored. She's highly respected among her peers. She's got balls bigger than General's Mattis & Kelly. So do you and I for that matter.
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(02-14-2020, 06:26 AM)BigMark Wrote: The attorneys lied to the DOJ about their recommendations after that the DOJ stepped in to stop rogue prosecutors. The 4 resigned from the case before they were removed or fired for what they did. Like it or not they know what they did was wrong. It goes against all sentencing guidelines & they lied to the DOJ.

I had a hell of a time reading that freaking thing!
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(02-14-2020, 06:26 AM)BigMark Wrote: The attorneys lied to the DOJ about their recommendations after that the DOJ stepped in to stop rogue prosecutors. The 4 resigned from the case before they were removed or fired for what they did. Like it or not they know what they did was wrong. It goes against all sentencing guidelines & they lied to the DOJ.


Where do you get your news from, Mark?
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I've heard that also, that's why Barr stepped in.
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From other people, who knows if it's correct but it sounds plausible.
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No it really doesn't.
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(02-15-2020, 10:33 AM)Maggot Wrote: I've heard that also, that's why Barr stepped in.


Barr stepped in because he is a corrupt Attorney General who takes orders from a corrupt president. Do you know how many times something like this has happened before now? Go on, take a guess.

Mike Flynn admitted his guilt in front of the world.
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(02-15-2020, 10:39 AM)BigMark Wrote: From other people, who knows if it's correct but it sounds plausible.


Jesus, Mark.
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It's muy bueno mi amora!
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That's OK most stuff here about Trump is opinion anyways.
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(02-13-2020, 01:04 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(02-13-2020, 12:33 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:    

If the judge decides that the sentence recommended by the prosecutors is too harsh, she has the power to sentence him to less time and explain why.  If she decides to do so of her own accord (not under threat or pressure) that wouldn't be a problem for me -- that's also how the system works.   

I see that Attorney General Barr has agreed to answer questions about the Stone intervention in front of Congress....................on March 31st.  That's a long six weeks from now (and I won't be surprised if he balks again anyway).  In the meantime, President Trump continues to lie publicly about Stone's actions and the details of the case/conviction.


Judge ABJ has the ability to bring in the 4 prosecutors who resigned the case and ask them why they did so. I sure hope she does. She's also the person who Roger posted a picture of with an image of cross hairs covering her head/face.

I wish Democrats would get their act together. Issue subpoenas and if they are not honored start jailing those fuckers.

The judge has scheduled a conference call tomorrow with the Defense and the Prosecution.  It's not known whether she'll be inquiring about the reasons the full prosecution team withdrew from the case after AG Barr's interference.

In any case, I hope she denies the request for a new trial and proceeds with sentencing on Thursday, as scheduled, and simply sentences Stone according to her judgment of the facts in evidence and the sentencing guidelines (ignoring all the political interference).  

I haven't seen any justification for giving Roger Stone a do-over and the fact that he's a long time friend and adviser of Trump should not be a factor.

The jury foreperson being a Democrat who ran for office is also irrelevant.  She disclosed that fact during jury selection and pledged to consider the evidence objectively, and the Defense did not reject her from being seated. 

That's the way jury selection works and every juror is either a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, or politically unaffiliated -- whichever they are, it is not indicative of their ability to serve impartially, regardless of the defendant's politics.
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Anyway, I'd be very surprised if their wasn't a mix of political leanings among the Stone jury. Still, they all considered the same evidence and heard the same witnesses............and they quickly and unanimously agreed beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of lying to Congress and witness tampering.

Judge Jackson sure has had to put up with a lot of crap from Stone and Trump supporters for the last couple of years, but she's done so with a level-head and without losing focus on the case at hand; I hope she's not prevented from simply moving the case to its fair conclusion.

If Trump then decides to pardon Stone, which FOX News is loudly advocating, that would be a mistake and a matter (along with Barr's interference) to be addressed separately from the specific criminal case at hand.

Ref: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/16...ase-115620
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(02-17-2020, 12:35 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The judge has scheduled a conference call tomorrow with the Defense and the Prosecution.  

The federal judges association has called an emergency meeting because of this shit show. They said it couldn't wait until their conference in the Spring because of "the deepening crisis that has enveloped the Justice Department and attorney general Bill Barr". This group consists of over 1000 federal jurists and they started calling for this meeting last week after trump criticized the prosecutor's sentencing recommendations and the AG tried to overrule it.
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Thanks Duchess, that's interesting though not surprising. 

I understand why judges across the country are extremely concerned about the circumstances surrounding the Attorney General's interference in cases involving Stone, Flynn, and other criminal associates of the President.

It's not clear to me what, if anything, they can do about it however (aside from criticizing it).  I don't think anything the judges put forth will be taken into consideration by Trump or Barr.  And, I don't see Barr resigning.

I sure hope Judge Jackson is able to sentence Stone according to what she feels is just, despite all the politically-motivated pressure and  intervention.  If so, at least it will demonstrate that criminal justice can still be administered equally on a case-by-case basis.
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The Prosecutors sentencing changed a few times during the trial of Flynn and Stone. If there was any partiality during any of the trials it should be addressed. like I said before others have done the same thing and got a wrist slap. Stone is an asshole I admit that but Flynn was railroaded. He was told his sentence would not be as bad as it was if he pleaded guilty and he was just wanting to get it done and over with. Then he said he was not going to plead guilty and POOF the prosecutor changed the sentencing. Weird trials both of them.
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That's not a realistic depiction of the cases Mags; we've covered the cases as they progressed upthread.

What's made the Flynn and Stone cases weird is the actions of the defendants, the Attorney General of the U.S., and President Trump -- not the legal process.  

Mike Flynn didn't have a 'weird trial' because he never had a trial.  He instead chose to plead guilty to lying to the FBI and to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for a deal (light sentence).  

However, the sentencing judge refused to hand down a light sentence (or any sentence) because Flynn decided to claim 'deep state' victimhood and blame others for his actions rather than cooperate to the fullest extent.  

When defendants plead guilty in exchange for full cooperation, the plea deal and sentence is always contingent on meeting the conditions of the deal/cooperation.  That's in no way unique to Mike Flynn.   

So, the judge postponed Flynn's sentencing hearing for several months to allow Flynn to cooperate fully with prosecutors and meet the required commitments of his plea deal.  

But, Flynn has instead changed his attorneys and continued to claim he's a victim, with public support in those endeavors from President Trump and his friends at FOX News. 

As of today, Flynn's final sentencing hearing is still postponed.
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