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VOTING RIGHTS
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(08-18-2018, 12:39 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: You weren't a thought in my comment above FryGuy, though I disagree with your voter restriction proposal and find it short-sighted and non democratic. I also didn't call you any of the names you imagine and insist that I did.

And, I don't take posting assignments from your or anyone. You can keep making such foolish and condescending claims, requests, and demands. And, you can keep telling me what I think and feel, though you're obviously unqualified.

Now...........if you want to see a comment where your predictable response and line of thinking was ACTUALLY on my mind........check out the one I just posted to Duchess in the RETURN TO SENDER thread.

No, thank you HOTD.

"You can keep making such foolish and condescending claims, requests, and demands. And, you can keep telling me what I think and feel, though you're obviously unqualified"

I can actually post as I feel and I do not believe I need your permission to post as I like, right?
As to your allusion to me mindreading, let's not pretend when you say:

(08-17-2018, 09:15 PM)Fry Guy Wrote: I think someone should be able to vote only if the amount the have accepted from the government is lower than what they have received from other sources because otherwise you are going to have people voting to give them stuff for free.I do not believe that is on its face good.

I also like the idea of identification to vote

(08-18-2018, 11:56 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Citizens who want to restrict other citizens from voting based on their incomes, their ages, their locales, their perceived political leanings today..............strike me as the same types of discriminatory-minded people would have fought against voting rights for blacks and women back in the day too.

On an interesting side note, back when she was a college student, Sarah Huckabee (Sanders) worked with the ACLU to fight against being restricted from voting in her college campus district.

She attended a conservative religious college and eventually won the legal right for the student body to vote in their college district, which pushed the Republican candidate to victory. https://psmag.com/social-justice/when-sa...ing-rights

However, I doubt that she'll defend college students' rights to vote in their college districts now that it's perceived that the restrictions primarily affect left-leaning young voters.

I hope she surprises me and doesn't do a full partisan about-face on the issue. Her argument was the right one 20 years ago and it remains so, in my opinion.

It is hardly a leap of logic to see I said (AND no one else here said anything similar) :

(08-17-2018, 09:15 PM)Fry Guy Wrote: I think someone should be able to vote only if the amount the have accepted from the government is lower than what they have received from other sources because otherwise you are going to have people voting to give them stuff for free.I do not believe that is on its face good.

And you said:

(08-18-2018, 11:56 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Citizens who want to restrict other citizens from voting based on their incomes, their ages, their locales, their perceived political leanings today..............strike me as the same types of discriminatory-minded people would have fought against voting rights for blacks and women back in the day too.

So what to pretend that this does not apply to what I said? Want to pretend that the types of people with these opinions are likely sexist and racist? Not on me and good luck with that.
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#22
(08-18-2018, 12:08 PM)Duchess Wrote: Republicans in positions of power who keep dicking around with voting have forced me into the position of believing they can't win without cheating.

We really need more consistent and fair voting processes and eligibility requirements on a nationwide-basis.

Eligibility should be as broad as possible to allow as many citizens to participate as reasonable.

I do think state-by-state bi-partisan polling should stay in place as it prevents would-be hackers from affecting the national vote counts, but with more consistency and oversight between the states.

Gerrymandering is one of the biggest problems when it comes to election results reflecting the will of the people. Republicans have done it heavy-handedly for the past several years when they've maintained majority rule of the Congress and governorships. Neither party should be able to re-define district lines at will in order to secure an election advantage. Democrats have done it in the past when they had control as well.

I was glad to see some recent state/local court cases that prevented it and hope to see a law/measure that forbids it on a nationwide basis (though I'm not holding my breath).
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(08-18-2018, 02:41 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Gerrymandering is one of the biggest problems when it comes to election results which reflect the will of the people. 

I've only recently started paying any real attention to it. I take the time to listen & to read and it's friggin' outrageous the way districts can be and have been redistricted. That bullshit needs to be fixed, like yesterday. Jeez.
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#24
All I want is fairness goddamnit. Fairness. For everyone.
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