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MID-TERM ELECTIONS
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The percentage of otherwise poor whites lifted from poverty by government safety-net programs is the highest, at 44 percent, compared to 35 percent of otherwise poor minorities, the comprehensive study concluded.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...83ca6a8b46

The old rhetoric suggesting that blacks are almost exclusively responsible for 'welfare culture' seemed to finally die down during the Obama administration when the facts and data were made more readily accessible.  So, I can see why a lot of informed black citizens really resent Kanye's ignorant performance for President Trump this week.

Anyway, since white rural citizens without degrees also happen to make up the bulk of Trump's base, I wouldn't expect Trump to slash welfare, especially with wannabe-slasher Paul Ryan leaving Congress at the end of the year.

Personally, I don't want to see poor rural white citizens lose government assistance anymore than I'd like to see it taken away from poor urban blacks and Hispanics.

Fortunately, when job opportunities increase and unemployment numbers decrease across demographics (as has been the case for the last several years), the number of Americans of all races requiring government assistance is reduced.
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Last night's SNL Cold Open wasn't as funny as the Kavanaugh testimony spoof, to me.  

But, it was pretty amusing.

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(10-14-2018, 04:46 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:
(10-12-2018, 09:54 AM)Maggot Wrote: I'm not a fan of his music but he is 100% correct about the Dems putting blacks under their thumbs relying on welfare. The violent left with their mob mentality will be getting worse as the mid terms get closer. It's just an observation that more people are seeing. 

Hopefully more people will get out and vote because of it.

I don't expect that you'll care about the facts or trust non-conservative sources anymore Mags, no mater how well-verified the data. 

But, since I still think reality and truth are critical components to effectively dealing with challenges individuals and countries face, I'm gonna post this update to the statistics I posted for you on the subject a couple of years back anyway.

The bolded assertion, which you've made several times over the years and Kanye made live from the White House this week, is a really stale old falsehood and stereotype which started with the "Welfare Queen" narrative during Reagan's presidency and has been perpetuated by Republicans ever since.

The truth is.................working class white folks without college degrees continue to make up the vast majority of welfare recipients in this country.  The data below is as of February 2017.

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Is that in numbers or percentage. If I had 90 Eagle supporters in the room and 10 tiger supporters and indicated that tiger fans were more violent because 5 of those 10 tigers wee more violent, and you said no way there are 8 Eagle fans that were violent to only 5 tiger fans, you would be being deliberately disingenuous. Are you being so here?
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I'm not disingenuous, but you continue to be a warped broken record FryGuy.

We've discussed the racial make up of the U.S. many times in many contexts here for years.  I don't feel the need to repeat every statistic over and over with you in mind.

You could either just ask me a genuine question, read the posted link noting percentage population is not figured in, and/or find the answer using Google search and basic math..........all in the same or less time than it takes to write an dopey football analogy.

I did it for you this time:  white people make up 60% of the U.S. population (and 51% of the welfare recipients), black people make up 13% of the population (and 23% of the welfare recipients), Hispanic/Latino people make up 18% of the population (and 20% of the welfare recipients), and other ethnicities/races make up the other 9% of the population (and 6% of the welfare recipients).
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The idea that blacks account for the vast majority of welfare recipients is false. But, minorities, particularly blacks, live below the poverty line at higher rates than white citizens. Thus, minorities account for almost 50% of welfare recipients though they make up 40% of the population.

If the social safety net is slashed (in a manner that is not racially discriminatory), it would affect a lot more poor white citizens than citizens of other races/ethnicities, that's why I don't think it will happen under Trump. It would also affect a larger percentage of blacks than any other race/ethnicity, that's not a secret.

For the last several years, the amount of assistance paid out has been declining as unemployment has declined. Personally, I'd like to see that savings to the government invested in better educational opportunities and economic development among poor communities (regardless of race).

That, plus higher wages, is the right way to reduce income inequality and gradually/continually reduce the need for government welfare assistance across the country, in my opinion.
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(10-14-2018, 08:45 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I'm not disingenuous, but you continue to be a warped broken record FryGuy.

We've discussed the racial make up of the U.S. many times in many contexts here for years.  I don't feel the need to repeat every statistic over and over with you in mind.

You could either just ask me a genuine question, read the posted link noting percentage population is not figured in, and/or find the answer using Google search and basic math..........all in the same or less time than it takes to write an dopey football analogy.

I did it for you this time:  white people make up 60% of the U.S. population (and 51% of the welfare recipients), black people make up 13% of the population (and 23% of the welfare recipients), Hispanic/Latino people make up 18% of the population (and 20% of the welfare recipients), and other ethnicities/races make up the other 9% of the population (and 6% of the welfare recipients).

You were, now you are agreeing with me and clarifying. Thanks for playing
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^ Same tired old flamer tripe.  Moving on.


Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania was the linchpin of Donald Trump’s 2016 victory, but it could be ground zero of Democrats’ 2018 comeback.

Not only are the incumbent Democratic senator and governor prohibitive favorites to win reelection, but Democrats could also pick up as many as a half-dozen congressional seats — roughly a quarter of the seats the party needs nationwide to win back the House.

Fewer than two years after Trump became the first Republican presidential candidate to carry Pennsylvania since 1988, a new POLITICO/AARP poll shows both Sen. Bob Casey and Gov. Tom Wolf with double-digit leads over their GOP challengers.

And Democrats have a slight edge on the generic congressional ballot — which, combined with a new, court-imposed congressional-district map unwinding GOP gerrymandering, portends major gains in next months’ elections.

The top issue for voters in Pennsylvania is health care: Nearly three-in-four, 74 percent, say it’s “very important” to their vote in November, outrating the economy and jobs (72 percent), Social Security (67 percent) and national security and terrorism (65 percent). For voters 50 and older, Social Security (81 percent) only slightly outpaces health care (79 percent).  

Full piece:  https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...018-221307
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Recent talk of the Republicans again looking to reduce or take away health care provisions is likely going to hurt them in Pennsylvania, in my opinion. That's one of the reasons Trump put out that lie-ridden USA Today Op-Ed last week.

Anyway, I hope the very vulnerable Republican Representatives in Pennsylvania get trounced.

And, I hope piece of shit California Republican Representatives Dana Rauerbacher, Duncan Hunter, and Devin "Stooge" Nunes get trounced even harder.

Unfortunately, as of now, Nunes seems poised to retain his seat, with 22 days left until mid-term elections. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-...58000.html
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What happens if you do not win the House or Senate? What is there is no blue wave?
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Maybe the white people used the welfare program for what it was intended for and ended up going back to work.
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The facts don't support that racially-biased assertion Mags.

Point is: there are nearly twice as many white people who use the social safety net at any given time than black people, regardless of the per capita racial percentage.

So, if Trump wants to keep the Midwest (where the majority of poor white citizens reside) in his base, I don't think he'd be wise to slash 'welfare'.
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(10-15-2018, 11:11 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The facts don't support that racially-biased assertion Mags.

Point is:  there are nearly twice as many white people who use the social safety net at any given time than black people, regardless of the per capita racial percentage.

So, if Trump wants to keep the Midwest (where the majority of poor white citizens reside) in his base, I don't think he'd be wise to slash 'welfare'.

When reading the chart it says, the percentage of whites lifted out of poverty. I'm taking that as meaning they are not on welfare any more if they have been lifted out of poverty.
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(10-15-2018, 11:20 AM)Maggot Wrote: When reading the chart it says, the percentage of whites lifted out of poverty. I'm taking that as meaning they are not on welfare any more if they have been lifted out of poverty.

You misunderstood.  

It just means that the percentage of poor whites is lower and they're not as poor as poor minorities before receiving the same amount of government assistance.

Without the government programs, 24 percent of whites were poor, compared to 43 percent of blacks and 36 percent of Hispanics. After the programs, 13 percent of whites were poor, compared to 24 percent of blacks and 26 percent of Hispanics.
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That,s a really mis-leading graph. Especially when there are more whites than darks in the U.S.
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No, it's not misleading.

As I said, the purpose of the chart is to show the numbers of citizens reliant on the social safety net ('welfare').  That's exactly what it does.  

It's important to understand the numbers of people affected if you actually care about the issue at hand rather than trying to position one race as superior to others, even if you don't like the numbers.

Everyone with brain cells already knows that there are more whites than blacks in the U.S., which we've discussed here dozens of times in relation to government assistance, abortion, gun crime, etc...

In terms of there being more white people than all dark people combined in the U.S., that's true, for now. By about 11%.  

But, with birth rates higher among non-whites and death rates higher among whites, whites are projected to be in the minority in 25 years. There will still be more whites than any other race, but fewer whites than all other races combined. The U.S. is poised to become a "majority-minority" nation.
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So being "lifted out of poverty" does not mean "lifted out of poverty" it means lifted out of poverty to a higher level of poverty?
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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Understanding/accepting the facts and data seems to be outside your will or ability Mags. You can study up on it if you're really interested.

My point, one last time, was that you can't slash welfare without affecting the lives of many more millions of white people than black people unless it's done in a racially discriminatory manner. And, the vast majority of the white citizens reliant on government assistance reside in areas teeming with Trump supporters.

In terms of numbers, white people are by far the biggest recipients of welfare.
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Percentages are sometimes an inconvenient fact, only to be used when the democratic dirty tricks playbook dictates.
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I really should put on my left handed glasses when reading this stuff. Otherwise I won't be able to see whats not there.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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