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SAUDI ARABIA & THE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOURNALIST JAMAL KHASHOGGI
(Yesterday, 05:13 PM)Duchess Wrote: He believes the Saudis over the CIA and stands with them. He believes Putin over the CIA and stands with him. And the GOP continues to remain silent. 

Maybe your right.

Personally, I think it's more likely that Trump does not believe them. 

 I think he pretends to believe them for personal reasons, and he knows from experience that his base will believe the lies if he says they're true (despite the evidence).
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(Yesterday, 05:18 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I think it's more likely that Trump does not believes them.

Given he was offered the opportunity to review the evidence and declined because it was "terrible" and a "suffering tape" I would say you're probably right.

It's sickening what he has done. He has made journalists the world over less safe. Our country has sunk so low, we used to be a moral beacon, people looked up to us, now they're happy not to be us.
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Instead of making up a story and lying about it, Trump admitted it was in our interests not to do anything that would affect hundreds of millions of people over one death. It's called being callous and pragmatic.
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(Yesterday, 11:13 PM)BigMark Wrote: Instead of making up a story and lying about it, Trump admitted it was in our interests not to do anything that would affect hundreds of millions of people over one death. It's called being callous and pragmatic.

Trump's not being any more honest than Presidents before him who have given Saudi Arabia a pass on human rights violations, even when the Saudis have cost the lives of American citizens and U.S. residents.

But Trump is publicly undermining his own intelligence agencies, defying Congress, feigning ignorance, endangering journalists, and giving a pass to a young defacto leader who has proven to be a fatally reckless ruler and a bad/bald-faced liar. 

MBS is not the man to whom the U.S. should hitch its wagon; I don't care if Kushner and Trump have invested a couple of years propping and buddying up to MBS.  This particular crown prince is a  dangerous loose cannon and the U.S. will pay the price for enabling him, in my opinion.

Anyway, I don't think the U.S. should cut off all ties to Saudi Arabia - that might impact hundreds of millions of people.  I do think the U.S. should denounce MBS for what objective experts and observers are confident he did, and cultivate a relationship with a better/wiser Saudi leader with whom to partner in regards to Middle Eastern policy.
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and that is what america needs, not sound bites, not global warming that became climate change, not y2k, killer bees and all the other bullshit. america fucking first all the time everytime.
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Trump's statements on the matter have been nothing but sound bites Biggie.

And, I've never understood your obsession with global warming being encompassed into the broader 'climate change' category. The climate is definitely changing and the impacts are being felt globally.

I hope you're not a climate change denier. Climate change deniers not only think they're smarter than 90+% of the world's greatest scientists, they refuse to believe their own eyes.

Anyhow, I don't support Trump's "America first, all the time" rhetoric and focus. Yes, the leaders of the U.S. should obviously always consider the U.S.'s best interests as top priority. Sometimes that means compromising and partnering with other countries when addressing shared problems and goals. It doesn't mean adopting a default 'take it or leave it!' isolationist policy and prioritizing personal/financial gain over smart, diplomatic, and strategic foreign relations.
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(Today, 12:41 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I hope you're not a climate change denier.  Climate change deniers not only think they're smarter than 90+% of the world's greatest scientists, they refuse to believe their own eyes.

He's not the only one in Mock. I've seen someone else say it's all bullshit, the scientists are lying and are motivated by money. Yup, Mock has climate change deniers.
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(Today, 12:20 AM)BigMark Wrote: and that is what america needs, not sound bites, not global warming that became climate change, not y2k, killer bees and all the other bullshit. america fucking first all the time everytime.

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My climate has changed dramatically over the past few days. It will be about 10 deg tonight. This is really cold weather early.
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IDK the Saudis should be held accountable but the entire region should not be tossed into turmoil because of his death either. Drop the bomb, stop the war or don't drop the bomb and continue it. A tough choice for a tough President.
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