A brief educational moment concerning later term abortions

[sally]

There have been more black abortions in N.Y. than births. Sangers plan is finally working.

So I suppose you would adopt all the little niggers if they were born? Unless it's late term abortion you should really stop giving a shit.

[sally]

I know how much you love niggers msggot, but get rralistic

[sally]

Stupid phone

[Duchess]

So I suppose you would adopt all the little niggers if they were born? 

Hehehehe

[Fry Guy]

I am pretty sure Fry Guy called me a bigot up there.
I am also pretty sure he inserted the word, "White" into my post when I did not use that word to describe the men in congress making laws for womens bodies. Which he did not address at all. (I could say typical of a guy to insert something white....)
Cudos to you Mr Fry Guy for taking care of your daughter. You are 1 person. Sorry the mother is not involved. That is unfortunate.
Now let us get back to what I was addressing in my post.

I really don't want to castrate men (Maybe rapists) or make them sterile (maybe rapists). But I do want to see more laws and more activists that target men, not just women. Not just planned parenthood. Not just places where people go to get abortions.

AND THEN you did not even address the law where a woman could be killed for having an abortion. So there is that.

Thanks for coming.

men in congress making laws for womens bodies.

No black people can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for white people
No white people can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for black people
No women can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for men
No men can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for women
No disabled people can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for non-disabled people
No non-disabled people can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for disabled people
No adults can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for children
No children can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for adults
No religious can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for non-religious people
No non-religious people can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for religious people
No veterans can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for non-veterans
No non-veterans can hold an opinion on anything that would be beneficial for veterans

You are not being bigoted or pretending that a duly selected representative by virtue of their gender cannot fulfill their position? Are you? That would be bigoted. Are you being bigoted? You tell me. Perhaps you say it is not and you have a compelling reason that in no way infringes on the definition above and is not exclusionary based on gender and does not purport a collective failing or knowledge based on gender alone. Have at. I would love to hear a REASONABLE position that is not bigoted and is rational.

As to me being one person. Yes one person. Every male is one person and so is every female. I think most Dads in my position would have done the same and so would most mums. It is what parents do, as HoTD rather condescendingly and snarkily alluded to above. Women are no better or worse than men at raising kids or being parents. That is all.

I have no particular problem with having rapists castrated. Personally I think the sickos in society should be thrown into a pit with unscaleable walls, populated by half starved feral pigs. So I am with you there. Applying that sterilisation or castration standard as liberally as you were alluding to before was retarded and I guess you are acknowledging that. But I can't argue against rapists (men or women) and their forfeiture of rights (I do not think that they are human).

A law where women will get killed for having an abortion? Really. How will they kill her? Lethal injection, hanging? Firing squad? At what stage is the child she is aborting and why is she aborting it? I need details before I weigh in heavily on this.

My personal view on abortion if you care to know (just so you know what I am likely to defend or not) I am relatively centrist with left leanings on most policies. I am likely to mostly side with a "moderate" Liberal position but understand a moderate Conservative position, though not likely to agree. I will not back the crazy positions of the Leftist Progressive positions because they are crazy.

So I think abortion SHOULD be allowed and I think it should be regulated. I DO think it is killing a life and should be treated with as much gravitas as deciding to take a loved one off life support. There SHOULD be counselling and education involved in this process. I definitively understand the conservative position about not taking a life and I do not think that they are trying to take away women's rights but I do not think that in cases of rape and incest whereby a baby is conceived, a woman is told to suck it up, nor do I think where there is life threatening complications a woman ought to have no choice but take the risk to her life and to be very clear I do not think teens too young to be parents and make adult choices should be lumbered for life with bad choices. I also do not think that it should be a matter of convenience or a form of birth control.

I do not like the idea of full formed babies being aborted especially where they may be viable born and nor do I think there is MUCH to warrant second or third term abortions. I think that in cases like this they need to have a committee of doctors (male or female, it does not matter, right?).

I do think women do have rights and so do the unborn babies and trying to move to a place where abortion is available but heavily regulated and supported and whereby less abortion happens due to access to education, birth control and counselling is better in my mind. I think abortion ought to be acknowledged as not removing goo or a clump of cells but in MOST cases killing a foetus or dependent baby.

[Fry Guy]

There have been more black abortions in N.Y. than births. Sangers plan is finally working.

So I suppose you would adopt all the little niggers if they were born? Unless it's late term abortion you should really stop giving a shit.

I think there should be less unprotected sex and a culture in which parents take an active role in their children's lives. These numbers suggest a flippancy over sex and pregnancy and abortion which is pretty bad. I am not suggesting that people should be puritan celibates and/or marry and have to stay together forever for sake of the kids, just that if you have sex, unless you want kids, wrap up and if you have kids be there for them as much as you can. This study out of New York suggests a major break down in those values.

[Maggot]

There have been more black abortions in N.Y. than births. Sangers plan is finally working.

So I suppose you would adopt all the little niggers if they were born? Unless it's late term abortion you should really stop giving a shit.

They are only doing what they are told, I can't blame them for doing that.

[HairOfTheDog]

There have been more black abortions in N.Y. than births. Sangers plan is finally working.

So I suppose you would adopt all the little niggers if they were born? Unless it's late term abortion you should really stop giving a shit.

They are only doing what they are told, I can't blame them for doing that.

   

Who do you think is ordering black people to have abortions and why? 

Sounds like another baseless conspiracy theory.

Black people are capable of making their own choices, same as anyone else.

[Fry Guy]

There have been more black abortions in N.Y. than births. Sangers plan is finally working.

So I suppose you would adopt all the little niggers if they were born? Unless it's late term abortion you should really stop giving a shit.

They are only doing what they are told, I can't blame them for doing that.

   

Who do you think is ordering black people to have abortions and why? 

Sounds like another baseless conspiracy theory.

Black people are capable of making their own choices, same as anyone else.

Is that like your baseless conspiracy that Maggot is a rape apologist and a supporter of child abuse or more like your conspiracy theory that Republicans/Christians were trying to suppress women's reproductive rights with their beliefs on an unborn babies right to life? I mean if we are talking about baseless conspiracy theories you would not be a hypocrite and peddle conspiracy theories yourself would you? Hope not. Hard to be smug, condescending, or holier than thou when you are a hypocrite.

[Duchess]

They are only doing what they are told, I can't blame them for doing that.

Don't you know any black people? They have the same capacity to think for themselves as you do.

[Duchess]

Is that like your baseless conspiracy that Maggot is a rape apologist and a supporter of child abuse or more like your conspiracy theory that Republicans/Christians were trying to suppress women's reproductive rights with their beliefs on an unborn babies right to life? I mean if we are talking about baseless conspiracy theories you would not be a hypocrite and peddle conspiracy theories yourself would you? Hope not. Hard to be smug, condescending, or holier than thou when you are a hypocrite.

Fuck you.

[pyropappy]

Serious question, what happens if the court over turns Roe? The times are changing and that day is coming if all these states keep enacting heart beat bills, and progressive ones push for late term procedures?

[Rootilda]

Women will continue to get abortions however they'll be much less safe and women will die. Which is probably acceptable to the Republican party.

[Duchess]

Serious question, what happens if the court over turns Roe? The times are changing and that day is coming if all these states keep enacting heart beat bills, and progressive ones push for late term procedures?

Women will die.

I'm not interested in going backwards, Pappy. It's 2019. Men need to get their noses out of our business. We can manage nicely on our own, we don't need men telling us what to do, how to do it or when to do it. It's our business and it's between us and our Dr.'s.

[MirahM]

@Fry Guy. Sure I can stop saying that it is only men that are making decisions about women's bodies. Sure I can acknowledge that there are plenty of women lawmakers who would also like to ban abortions as well.
Sure I can certainly say that I am sure there are men qualified to make decisions about my body as a woman. Sure. That is exactly what you want me to say.
I would be much more comfortable if they were consulting women in these matters.
Also myself as a woman-I have experienced men doctors who ignore womens issues. Do women doctors ignore womens issues? Certainly.

Here are some examples of men saying things and wanting to make laws to punish women for being sexually active and being pregnant and having abortions-rather than making any laws or comments towards men who are just as responsible for these pregnancies as you pointed out as the women are.
(I happen to agree with most of your views on abortion by the way)

[MirahM]

Texas state Rep. Tony Tinderholt ®
He has previously said that his proposal would completely remove access to abortions and “force” women to be “more personally responsible” with sex.

“Right now, it’s real easy," Tinderholt told the Texas Observer in 2017. "Right now, they don’t make it important to be personally responsible because they know that they have a backup of ‘oh, I can just go get an abortion.’

The Post called Tinderholt’s bill a clear violation of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 landmark Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide.

The bill would criminalize abortion and classify it as homicide, which would make it possible for a woman to receive the death penalty for having the procedure done. The legislation's language directs authorities to enforce its requirements “regardless of any contrary federal law, executive order, or court decision.”

A Republican state lawmaker in Texas has reintroduced a bill that would criminalize abortion without exception, making it possible for women to be convicted of homicide and sentenced to death for having the procedure.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...enalty-for

[MirahM]

Post from a friend:

Here is my idea-- Re: Abortion versus birth control. If men were fined $10,000 or 3 months in jail for unwanted pregnancies, there would be a whole lot of options for birth control... and more interest in making it accessible. Also stimulate the economy: probably lots of advertising for $10,000 loans too. The money could be used to fund early childhood learning and daycare centers.

[Duchess]

"more personally responsible". Ain't that fuckin' rich. By his logic it was some dude's irresponsible dick that got her knocked up in the first place.

[MirahM]

Why aren't men wearing condoms? Why aren't men fined for not wearing a condem and getting a woman pregnant?

Pregnancies happen when men have an orgasm. Unwanted pregnancies happen when men orgasm irresponsibly.

https://medium.com/s/can-we-talk/men-cau...0e8288a7e5
The above mentioned blog raises some very interesting thoughts.

If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.

[ZEROSPHERES]

"more personally responsible". Ain't that fuckin' rich. By his logic it was some dude's irresponsible dick that got her knocked up in the first place.

When I had a dick it was always acting irresponsibly. Now that it's gone I am relieved.