A Supreme Court Judge candidate should be the last person to lose his/her shit like that on the Senate or House floor. It's disqualifying, as far as I'm concerned.
But, while it's my concern as a U.S. citizen, it's obviously not my decision (nor your decision) whether Brett Kavanaugh is approved to serve on the Supreme Court of the United States for life, and the country will carry on whichever way it goes.
In the meantime, I'm glad the established precedent and processes are now being followed and I'll continue to express my opinions and share my observations however I see fit.
I encourage you to keep doing that Snowflake.
kavanaugh cried like a little bitch. He doesn't have the temperment to be in this job, maybe he'll lose his federal position too when this is all said and done. I could hardly believe the tears and belligerent attitude. He acted like he was above doing everything required for the position. I don't give a shit about him and his family. I only care that he can judge in a fair & balanced manner. He can't. Hopefully he'll be kicked to the curb. Had a woman been in his position and sat there and cried & shouted angrily there are a few of you who would have adamantly proclaimed she was too emotional for the job.
He has been a fine judge for how many years?
Is this like the new test? No, honestly. "We will accuse you of the worse degenerate crimes, make threats against your family, put you in an untenable position in which you are guilty until proven innocent and must take it with good grace and if you don't....well then you are unhinged, temperamentally unfit and don't qualify for a promotion"
That would be a fucking ridiculous standard. As for what some people would or would say, let's look at the circus that was the last 2 female supreme Court Justice nomination/confirmation process.
What? It was not a circus? It seems only to turn into a shit show when it is Republican male supreme Court justices? The standards are different?
Okay. Didn't really follow. I think you may have been saying that he has no right to express himself or defend himself in the face of slurs against him and his family and he ought to have not been human. I disagree naturally.
I don't know how long he's been a judge, I had never even heard of him before he was nominated. Judges shouldn't be lying while under oath. If he loses his position as a federal judge because of that, that's on him, not on the people pointing it out.
People say he has been lying. What exactly has he lied about? It wasn't the inability to fly or the changing stories about how many people in the room. That was her. What did he lie about. He is about to get confirmed. His 7th FBI investigation and he is in.
I hope no one has to defer to him or address him as "Your Honor" ever again.
(09-29-2018, 05:08 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: [ -> ]People say he has been lying. What exactly has he lied about? It wasn't the inability to fly or the changing stories about how many people in the room. That was her. What did he lie about. He is about to get confirmed. His 7th FBI investigation and he is in.
If what you say about Dr. Ford were true, it would be everywhere. It would be the lead on every newscast, it's not. It's quite the opposite of what you state, she is believed and not only by Democrats but by republicans too.
His lies are the lies that are making headlines, if you are truly interested in knowing what he lied about you won't have any trouble at all finding reports of them.
(09-29-2018, 05:48 AM)Ski at 1SKY6 Wrote: [ -> ]I hope no one has to defer to him or address him as "Your Honor" ever again.
I think there's a better than average chance of that coming true.
As an observation, it seems that the “Me-Too” movement may have moved to cause undue injustice to some men.
As it has caused a culture now where all it takes is a woman possibly with an axe to grind against a man they dislike for what ever reason, (Society can’t know if she does have a dislike with him, of course not sexual assault) but has the power to make an accusation of sexual assault, or sexual misconduct against that man. At that point, it’s a She said, He said situation.
However, it seems in today’s disparaging culture, the man is now presumed guilty, until proven innocent.
And then that man is now fighting for his good name, his job, his self respect, holding his family together, and trying to keep his friends still his friends. And if he's innocent, and after he's proven innocent, his life is still ruined and tainted forever.
Yes in some cases the accusations may be valid, and if the man is found guilty, in that case the man should definitely be held accountable. But he must be found guilty first!
But in the court of today’s public opinion, society seems quick to presume the man is guilty, before the man is actually proven guilty, and if he’s not guilty, thus harming (ruining) an innocent man‘s entire life forever.
The stigma of that evil accusation will last the man’s lifetime. And a lifetime, can sometimes be a long time.
It’s a sad situation our society faces, where an innocent man can have his entire life ruined forever, by untrue "accusations", and a guilty man will only get his just reward!
At this point in time, I don't really know (None of us really do) if Kavanaugh is "in fact" guilty or not. If you have an open mind, both sides were compelling. The fact that he was so emotional, didn't help his situation, but his life is in shambles! So. . .
But even though I'm not a fan of his, I'm willing (as should we all) to give him the benefit of the doubt "until he's proven guilty" before actually convicting him!
(09-27-2018, 11:30 AM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]Oh i know Trump brags and stumbles through sentences, he is brash and a blowhard. narcissistic and treats the media badly but...............
He is doing his job
ISIS is just about beat
N. Korea is somewhat under control
Iran is changing for the better
The economy is on fire
The UN is now paying their fair share
NAFTA is getting reworked
its a trade off worth the trade.
Also, he pisses off the Dems and liberals. That is great and worth more than any of it. Just look here its funny as all hell. people let themselves get mad.
Yup 100%
Personally I think he is not guilty but I have no way of knowing what he was or wasn't 40 years ago or what she was or wasn't. That said if it could be proved that he was a Kevin Spacey, Al Franken, Harvey Weinstein type villian then sure bury him in an anthill BUT don't just say "believe women, so he needs to prove he did nothing wrong" that has NEVER been the standard.
(09-29-2018, 06:02 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2018, 05:08 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: [ -> ]People say he has been lying. What exactly has he lied about? It wasn't the inability to fly or the changing stories about how many people in the room. That was her. What did he lie about. He is about to get confirmed. His 7th FBI investigation and he is in.
If what you say about Dr. Ford were true, it would be everywhere. It would be the lead on every newscast, it's not. It's quite the opposite of what you state, she is believed and not only by Democrats but by republicans too.
His lies are the lies that are making headlines, if you are truly interested in knowing what he lied about you won't have any trouble at all finding reports of them.
You know this is an outrageous proposition don't you. The narrative that suits Republicans and favours Kavenaugh is in Conservative media and that which suits Democrats and favours Ford is in Liberal/Progressive outlets.
YOU admitted you don't read Conservative viewpoints, which is fine, but then you don't then say that it is not out there when it is all the places that you refuse to look.
(09-29-2018, 11:00 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: [ -> ]You know this is an outrageous proposition don't you. The narrative that suits Republicans and favours Kavenaugh is in Conservative media and that which suits Democrats and favours Ford is in Liberal/Progressive outlets.
YOU admitted you don't read Conservative viewpoints, which is fine, but then you don't then say that it is not out there when it is all the places that you refuse to look.
I find it hard to believe I said I don't read Conservative viewpoints as I'm pretty much surrounded by lapsed republicans whose opinions I normally respect. I don't have to agree with an opinion to respect an opinion. What I have an aversion to are lies and with "news" organizations who promote them.
what the hell is a lapsed republican, an uneasy democrat?
(09-29-2018, 11:36 AM)BigMark Wrote: [ -> ]what the hell is a lapsed republican, an uneasy democrat?
Are you unaware of all republicans that don't agree with this president? There are many and it certainly does not mean they are uneasy democrats. This president doesn't speak to them, to their values nor to their conservatism. Not by a long shot.
(09-29-2018, 07:04 AM)Carsman Wrote: [ -> ]
But even though I'm not a fan of his, I'm willing (as should we all) to give him the benefit of the doubt "until he's proven guilty" before actually convicting him!
This isn't a criminal trial, we're not in a court of law, and none of us are jury members. This is an evaluation of a candidate's suitability for a job which will impact the lives of all U.S. citizens. There's no burden of proof or reasonable doubt in play in the court of public opinion.
Outside of a courtroom, no one is under any obligation to presume innocence and wait for proof/evidence before making judgments and forming opinions, thankfully. We'd be in a lot of danger just going about our daily lives if proof or evidence was required before forming judgments and acting on them.
Anyway, personally, I don't make decisions without doing a lot of research, reviewing facts, and deliberating internally in matters of this sort. That often leaves me undecided far longer than most, which can sometimes be a drawback. Other times, it can be an asset. Never does it make me any more or less entitled to express my thoughts than people who primarily base their opinions on factors like personal experience, emotion, and non-factual evaluation.
When it comes to the Kavanaugh sexual assault allegations, anyone who's insisting that Judge Kavanaugh is innocent when chastising people for considering or insisting that Judge Kavanaugh is guilty is a hypocrite, by definition. I'm not suggesting that you're doing that Cars, you're not. I'm speaking generally.
I did find Dr. Ford a more credible witness and person than Judge Kavanaugh, by a long shot. But, that doesn't make me certain that Brett Kavanaugh is guilty of sexual assault.
Based on what I witnessed first-hand Thursday in his job interview, however, I am certain that Judge Kavanaugh is guilty of poor judgment, unprofessionalism, an overreaching sense of entitlement, partisan bias, extreme evasiveness/deflection, and immaturity.
To me, Kavanaugh is thus wholly unqualified to hold an extremely high-pressure and high-profile position which requires Constitutionally-mandated 'good behavior', along with a level head, an ability to address all sides fairly and respectfully, and a responsibility to be independent-minded and politically neutral when rendering decisions.
I won't be surprised if some of the Republican senators who will make the hiring decision feel the same way, more so as the adrenaline from Thursday's testimony wanes and they review and reflect upon Kavanaugh's words and actions in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. If so, I hope they vote their consciences for the good of the country rather than purely on party lines if Kavanaugh makes it to a final confirmation hearing.
(09-29-2018, 04:46 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]Had a woman been in his position and sat there and cried & shouted angrily there are a few of you who would have adamantly proclaimed she was too emotional for the job.
No doubt about it.
How many times have we seen this meme disparagingly posted by men over the years? Some of those male posters being the same ones who are now so thoroughly sensitive and offended that Kavanaugh's full-on rant is being criticized and mocked?
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^ She didn't meltdown. Didn't refuse to answer questions. No tears. Just frustration at answering the same question for the millionth time. And, she was accused of being an incompetent liar and in some cases a murderer.
On a positive note, I've read and heard a lot of comments by men who were far too secure and intelligent to presume that Christine Ford was a bimbo, or to demean her professional credentials, or to insist that she must be a whack job or a liar.
I think Dr. Ford demonstrated on Thursday that the insecure men who did make such ignorant presumptions were wrong (though I doubt they'd admit it).
My Tunnel vision............
That's a new one! I do not think for one minute that the Dems care for anything but stopping a Trump appointee no matter the cost. If enough shit is thrown at a wall the wall looks like shit. I'm an equal opportunity asshole observer in that I would not believe a woman any more than a man, but Ford does not have anything anyone with good tunnel vision couldn't see. Instead I predict the Dems to use this time to reinforce their shit supply to throw at the wall.
(09-29-2018, 04:29 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]My Tunnel vision............ That's a new one! I do not think for one minute that the Dems care for anything but stopping a Trump appointee no matter the cost. If enough shit is thrown at a wall the wall looks like shit. I'm an equal opportunity asshole observer in that I would not believe a woman any more than a man, but Ford does not have anything anyone with good tunnel vision couldn't see. Instead I predict the Dems to use this time to reinforce their shit supply to throw at the wall.
kavanaugh publicly stated he thinks there is a massive conspiracy behind all this yet, he hasn't wanted to have that investigated. How do you justify that in your mind?