I will more than likely end up voting for my dog Thorn if Webb doesn't make the cut.
One thing I have noticed when talking to people at work, or even reading the comments here is the majority of women are lining up behind Clinton and the majority of men are lining up against her. Not that it surprises me, in fact I think I said that would happen quite a while ago. This should turn out interesting should she get the ticket since the male female population is almost a 50⁄50 split.
I'm going to start a war here and say that women are to damn busy doing dishes to vote.
I have 2 dishwashers. 
Or maybe we can keep them busy by cooking us supper, doing our laundry, doing the shopping and taking care of the kids, Maggot. If that don't work them we could always haul their asses to the bedroom. Oh wait, that wont work because then we couldn't vote either. Hmmm . this is tough. Just who's bright idea was it to give those pesky women the right to vote ?
(08-28-2015, 12:36 PM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]One thing I have noticed when talking to people at work, or even reading the comments here is the majority of women are lining up behind Clinton and the majority of men are lining up against her. Not that it surprises me, in fact I think I said that would happen quite a while ago. This should turn out interesting should she get the ticket since the male female population is almost a 50⁄50 split.
That's interesting F.U. I'm not seeing that at all. I wonder if it's partly geographical? My in-person observations line up more with how it's playing out here at Mock - some women support Hillary and some don't. I know more who don't than do.
My best friend and his wife are hard-core Democrats. They have always supported Hillary and still do.
My sisters and my mom are hard-core Republicans. They hate the Clintons and always have. Three of them are pro-Trump (which cracks me up) and I don't know which Republican the other one is leaning towards at this time. None of the four women would ever consider voting for Hillary.
I and my voting-age California nieces and nephews are Independents. I'm leaning towards Rubio, but still too early to be decided. My oldest nephew is Sanders all the way (and hopes Elizabeth Warren will run with him), and the others have no preference yet.
I don't talk to my employees about politics, but a couple have mentioned that they're Hillary supporters (a Filipino man and a Hispanic woman).
I am out here in the corn and cattle country. Men rule the roost around here. So you may be on to something there HotD. Almost all the men [mostly 45 - 75 YO farmers], with exception of one die hard Dem that is a union rep, are all Anti H. There are quite a few lesbian couples here as well and, you guessed it [no male gay couples to ask], pro H. All the women folk, once again, Pro H.
My wife would put her on a spit and roast her if she could.
(08-28-2015, 01:10 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]My wife would put her on a spit and roast her if she could.
I like your wife already Maggot.
(08-28-2015, 01:10 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]My wife would put her on a spit and roast her if she could.
My mom would too.
She hates Bill Clinton just as much (and Obama almost as much). During the Clinton presidency, I never ever spoke politics when I visited my parent's house. I didn't recognize them, especially my mom, when the "C-word" was broached -- they were not the rational mellow people who raised me.
Dad had some room for Gore, but not mom. She still gets a weird look on her face when he's mentioned (which my nephew likes to do, because he's green and he's a grandma troll).
But mom's worst political hate is probably reserved for Jane Fonda. Jane is a dead traitor to my mom; NEVER to be forgiven.
(08-28-2015, 01:10 PM)Maggot Wrote: [ -> ]My wife would put her on a spit and roast her if she could.
I'm seeing a lot of Hilliary hate from the ladies. Many were pro in the beginning, but have since jumped ship.
(08-28-2015, 12:36 PM)F.U. Wrote: [ -> ]One thing I have noticed when talking to people at work, or even reading the comments here is the majority of women are lining up behind Clinton and the majority of men are lining up against her. Not that it surprises me, in fact I think I said that would happen quite a while ago. This should turn out interesting should she get the ticket since the male female population is almost a 50⁄50 split.
I'm not going to pull an MS and try to speak for "all women" but from reading HotD's posts, I don't think she's
at all lined up behind Clinton. She's one of the candidates that she's considering among many (on both sides of the aisle).
From what I've seen so far there are policies that some of the candidates espouse that I agree with and then they go and say something or espouse a different position (on another matter) which I totally DISAGREE with. Nothing new...I feel like I've been settling for what I think is the lesser evil for a long time now.
This is part of what bothers me about all the Clinton haters/conspiracy theorists (from an article in The Atlantic that lists some of the "real" scandals surrounding the Clinton's and then provides you with a link to this group that accuses her of killing cats and stuff):
With Hillary Clinton leading the field for the Democratic nomination for president, every Clinton scandal—from Whitewater to Clinton’s State Department emails—will be under the microscope. (No other American politicians—even ones as corrupt as Richard Nixon, or as hated by partisans as George W. Bush—have fostered the creation of a permanent multimillion-dollar cottage industry devoted to attacking them.)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...zi/396182/
It reminds me of the "birther's" and the vitriol directed at Obama (before he even became president). It was hard to give much credence to their legitimate questions/concerns because their opinions were so clearly clouded/based on hate.
I see the same thing occurring with Hillary. She's well and truly hated (and has her own industry to fan that hate!). Unfortunately, it works to the degree that....Obama's entire presidency, if he said "up", Republican's said "down". His entire presidency (and actions in congress) have been NOT necessarily to do what's best for the country but not to let Obama "win" on anything (big or small). I'm afraid that same attitude might follow Clinton in to the White House and we'd have another 4-8 years of not shit getting done.
I feel cynical, I don't see a time when they will ever go back to doing the work for the people. I don't and more and more I just don't care. I don't believe Democrats & Republicans will ever again work towards a common goal.
(08-28-2015, 01:30 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]
I feel cynical, I don't see a time when they will ever go back to doing the work for the people. I don't and more and more I just don't care. I don't believe Democrats & Republicans will ever again work towards a common goal.
And all of us will get up in the morning, shower and put our clothes on and go to work the same way we have for years now so that at the end of the year our taxes line the pockets of the political machine. I truly don't believe we will ever see change that will actually work to our benefit.
(08-28-2015, 01:30 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]I feel cynical, I don't see a time when they will ever go back to doing the work for the people. I don't and more and more I just don't care. I don't believe Democrats & Republicans will ever again work towards a common goal.
I'm more optimistic, but not by much. And, I'm growing more impatient.
We need campaign finance reform before politicians actually become beholden to the people to do their jobs and work towards the common good of the people again, in my opinion.
I like the idea of a certain number of qualified/people-selected candidates from various parties and Independents being allotted an even amount of funds for campaigning. No special interest dollars (and Citizens United repealed).
Of those in the running now, the only ones whose voting records and public statements indicate full or partial support for campaign finance reform (that I've come across) are Sanders, Clinton, Chafee, Trump, and Huckabee.
(08-28-2015, 01:48 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]We need campaign finance reform
Anyone that I have ever had a political discussion with has expressed that exact viewpoint. I'm lead to believe that most of America shares it. If we all want it and they work for us, why can't we make that happen? To me, that sounds like a simple question with a simple solution. They work for us!
(08-28-2015, 01:55 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2015, 01:48 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]We need campaign finance reform
Anyone that I have ever had a political discussion with has expressed that exact viewpoint. I'm lead to believe that most of America shares it. If we all want it and they work for us, why can't we make that happen? To me, that sounds like a simple question with a simple solution. They work for us!
That's the problem though, in my opinion -- many of them no longer do work for us. They work for special interests who buy their loyalty, their ears, and their legislative votes.
How do you fix that systematic problem when many of those same politicians who embrace and perpetuate it would need to support legislation in order to affect change?
We the people could only cast votes for those candidates who are committed to real campaign finance reform. But, if we don't favor their other platform policies and they don't succeed in getting Citizens United repealed and/or passing fair campaign finance laws, we're more fucked.
It's a major challenge.
Campaign finance reform!!!
It really IS the only solution to this unholy mess.
(08-28-2015, 02:09 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2015, 01:55 PM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2015, 01:48 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]We need campaign finance reform
Anyone that I have ever had a political discussion with has expressed that exact viewpoint. I'm lead to believe that most of America shares it. If we all want it and they work for us, why can't we make that happen? To me, that sounds like a simple question with a simple solution. They work for us!
That's the problem though, in my opinion -- many of them no longer do work for us. They work for special interests who buy their loyalty, their ears, and their legislative votes.
How do you fix that systematic problem when many of those same politicians who embrace and perpetuate it would need to support legislation in order to affect change?
We the people could only cast votes for those candidates who are committed to real campaign finance reform. But, if we don't favor their other platform policies and they don't succeed in getting Citizens United repealed and/or passing fair campaign finance laws, we're more fucked.
It's a major challenge.
Yup, I doubt any of them would vote in legislation that takes money out of their pocket.
Nixon's transgressions pale in comparison to todays politicians.