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Hillary's entire campaign seems like a skit to me.

(09-18-2015, 10:53 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ]Hillary's entire campaign seems like a skit to me.

Just Hillary? hmmmm very suspicious.

They're all pretty skit-like, but this is the Hillary thread.

Slippery Jimmy.

Ha! Not really this time aussie... politics is all skit based comedy these days.

Clinton Opposes Keystone XL Pipeline



She'd previously said she wouldn't answer questions about her position on the pipeline, citing her role in reviewing the project at the State Department and the ongoing federal review. But during a campaign stop in Des Moines, the Democratic presidential candidate said she thought the matter "would be decided by now."

"But it hasn't been decided and I feel now I've got a responsibility," she said. Clinton went on to say the pipeline is a "distraction" from important work to be done on climate change, and "one that interferes with our ability to move forward with all the other issues -- therefore I oppose it.

"And I oppose it because I don't think it's in the best interest of what we need to do to combat climate change. I will be rolling out in a few days my plan for a North American approach to fighting climate change and clean energy. Because for me, we need to be transitioning from fossil fuels—I know it will take time—to clean renewable energy."

In 2010, then-Secretary Clinton indicated potential support for the project as she told a San Francisco audience, "We're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the [Persian] Gulf or dirty oil from Canada."

Clinton's remarks come just after Pope Francis arrived in Washington at the start of a closely watched visit to the United States. The Pope considers climate change one of the most important issues in the world today.


Bernie Sanders is running in part on opposition to the Canada-to-Texas pipeline, which he's always opposed. It puts him at odds with one of his biggest support groups, Labor Unions. The Labor Unions support the project, which they believe will create many thousands of new well-paying construction jobs and will improve the economy.

Sanders said, "As a senator who has vigorously opposed the Keystone pipeline from the beginning, I am glad that Secretary Clinton finally has made a decision and I welcome her opposition to the pipeline. Clearly it would be absurd to encourage the extraction and transportation of some of the dirtiest fossil fuel on the planet."

Graham and Fiorina Slap Hillary over Keystone XL Pipeline



Graham, R-SC, another presidential candidate, was quick to attack Clinton for her remarks.

“In opposing the Keystone oil pipeline, Hillary Clinton once again shows that she intends to continue the failed policies and poor decisions of the Obama Administration," Graham said in a statement.

"Building this pipeline is essential to our national security by reducing our dependence on oil from countries that hate us. Keystone represents sound environmental policy that will move the American economy in the right direction and strengthen our national security."

And, Republican presidential contender Carly Fiorina told a South Carolina town hall meeting, "let's see, it took her two years to figure out what her position is on the Keystone pipeline. And then after two years where actually the facts haven't changed, predictably perhaps, she sided with the left wing of her party."


Ref: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/...-pipeline/

(09-23-2015, 11:11 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Graham and Fiorina Slap Hillary over Keystone XL Pipeline



Graham, R-SC, and another presidential candidate, was quick to attack Clinton for her remarks.

“In opposing the Keystone oil pipeline, Hillary Clinton once again shows that she intends to continue the failed policies and poor decisions of the Obama Administration," Graham said in a statement.

"Building this pipeline is essential to our national security by reducing our dependence on oil from countries that hate us. Keystone represents sound environmental policy that will move the American economy in the right direction and strengthen our national security."

And, Republican presidential contender Carly Fiorina told a South Carolina town hall meeting, "let's see, it took her two years to figure out what her position is on the Keystone pipeline. And then after two years where actually the facts haven't changed, predictably perhaps, she sided with the left wing of her party."


Ref: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/...-pipeline/

Oh SNAP! If she starts hacking on Hillary for her "fashion sense" I might start watching again.

Fiorina's too smart to do that and position herself as a bimbo; especially after she slapped Trump so effectively for his dumb comments about her face.

Anyway, Fiorina has been criticizing everything that Clinton says and her character for months on end.

So far, Clinton isn't taking the bait.

Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton said the idea that she started the birther movement, which questions the validity of President Barack Obama's American birth certificate, is "so ludicrous."

After CNN's Don Lemon asked Clinton about claims she started the movement in a phone interview, Clinton said any rumors about Obama's American citizenship are "totally untrue."

"This is such a bad example of what's wrong with instantaneous reactions and Americans getting all worked up and people feeding prejudice and paranoia, like Donald Trump," Clinton said.

Clinton brushed off the fact that some people feel she originated the rumor that Obama was born outside of the U.S., saying she's been "blamed for nearly everything."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hill...f=politics

Hillary was pummeled in 2008 for fueling the speculation that Obama was a Muslim with her famous "as far as I know" quote, and her campaign staffers were tied directly to spreading a picture of Obama in traditional Somali Muslim garb.

Apart from the campaign, the birther questions started around that same time in Democratic circles as the primary season went on. I'm sure it was just a coincidence.

She can try to run from it all she wants, but the history is there. Her campaign was imploding in 2008, so she pulled out all the stops. Just fucking own it for crying out loud.

(09-23-2015, 03:04 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: [ -> ]Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton said the idea that she started the birther movement, which questions the validity of President Barack Obama's American birth certificate, is "so ludicrous."

After CNN's Don Lemon asked Clinton about claims she started the movement in a phone interview, Clinton said any rumors about Obama's American citizenship are "totally untrue."

"This is such a bad example of what's wrong with instantaneous reactions and Americans getting all worked up and people feeding prejudice and paranoia, like Donald Trump," Clinton said.

Clinton brushed off the fact that some people feel she originated the rumor that Obama was born outside of the U.S., saying she's been "blamed for nearly everything."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hill...f=politics

Hi Hillary, I'm politics... Have we met?

(09-23-2015, 04:09 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ]Hillary was pummeled in 2008 for fueling the speculation that Obama was a Muslim with her famous "as far as I know" quote, and her campaign staffers were tied directly to spreading a picture of Obama in traditional Somali Muslim garb.

She said "as far as I know he's NOT a Muslim", when asked.

Which is what I imagine most people would say when asked about someone's belief system being different from what the person claims, especially if the person asked is not very close to the person whose religion is being questioned.

Walker was recently pummeled by some for saying he doesn't know for sure if Obama is a follower of Christ. I thought that pummeling was silly too; I wouldn't expect him to personally confirm or deny anybody's beliefs when asked.

(09-23-2015, 04:09 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ]Apart from the campaign, the birther questions started around that same time in Democratic circles as the primary season went on. I'm sure it was just a coincidence.

We know that a fervent Clinton supporter and an attorney loudly voiced suspicion that Obama was not born in the U.S., could be a Muslim, could be a dual citizen..around that time. Those individuals were not part of Clinton's campaign.

Despite all kinds of birther investigations, nothing has been found to link Clinton or her campaign to starting it, only speculation and people drawing their own conclusions when it comes to links and coincidence.

Donald Trump, who tried to keep the birther conspiracy theory alive long after Obama was in office and even after the long-form birth certificate was released, is now pointing the finger at Clinton when he and Carson are criticized for perceived anti-Muslim philosophies. To me, Trump looks foolish trying to deflect like that when hit up about it; evidence of his direct accusations and birther campaign can be found in all kinds of print and video, straight from the horse's mouth.

(09-23-2015, 04:09 PM)Jimbone Wrote: [ -> ]She can try to run from it all she wants, but the history is there. Her campaign was imploding in 2008, so she pulled out all the stops. Just fucking own it for crying out loud.

I haven't seen her running from it. It's possible that she is denying it and not fucking owning it, when asked, because it's simply false. If anything had ever been discovered (or is ever discovered) directly linking Clinton to starting or driving the birther conspiracy, history might look to everyone like it looks to you.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton and other 2008 presidential hopefuls had hoped those early birther rumors bore some meat so that a formidable opponent could have been disqualified. But, that doesn't make them guilty of orchestrating the birther conspiracy theory, of course.


Refs:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...act-check/
http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/21/flashb...as-i-know/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a...story.html

Her staff sent out the picture of him in Muslim garb. Not some Democrat lawyer, not some crackpot. Campaign staffers.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/fe...aryclinton

About that same time the rumors started about his citizenship, and she bungled her interview.

But I guess you're right and it's all coincidence, because the Clinton's have NEVER orchestrated attacks and whisper campaigns against anyone via surrogates, and they have NO history of it at all.

My bad.

I didn't say anything about your opinion being "bad". I just posted my view and some of what I know about the whole story.

Anyway.......that piece you linked supports what I posted, not contradicts it.

I don't care if you believe that Hillary Clinton was behind the birther conspiracy theory. I never saw anything that convinced me of it, but I would find it hard to believe that she (and other competitors at the time) didn't try to benefit from the skepticism and suspicion the rumors placed on Obama.

Who let the f***king dogs out! woof-woof. She makes me laugh though I'll give her that.

The Latest on the Email Front

Yesterday, a State Department official said a "small number" of Benghazi-related emails that had not been disclosed to the House committee investigating the 2012 terror attack had been discovered.

In the past few days, the State Department was contacted by the Department of Defense about the Clinton-Petraeus chain, two State Department officials said. The officials say the chain does not appear to include classified information, though an official determination has not been made. The chain included Clinton and Petraeus getting acquainted as well as some personnel matters, according to the officials.

Most of the email chain was on an old email server Clinton says she no longer has access to, but the end of the email chain contained messages on the private server she used while in office, according to another official. The chain begins on January 10, 2009 and ends on Feb. 1, 2009 and contains less than 10 emails total between Clinton and Petraeus, the official said.

Also on Friday, a State Department official also told CNN that in the process of turning over Libya-related emails to the Select Committee on Benghazi, it found a "small number" of Benghazi-related emails that had not been disclosed to the committee previously. These emails are among 925 Libya-related emails being turned over Friday and were found within the emails Clinton turned over to the State Department from her private server. The official said the emails were found because they have now been digitized and are easier to search.

Clinton turned over to State her work-related emails from the server and kept emails she deemed personal. The email server has since been turned over to the FBI, where investigators have been able to recover both the personal and work-related emails. The FBI is looking into whether any classified materials were mishandled.

Story: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/h...index.html

Bill defends Hillary in new CNN Interview


Bill Clinton said Friday he believes Republicans are exaggerating scandals against his wife, using the scrutiny over her email use while at the State Department to tear her down. "I have never seen so much expended on so little. ... I trust the people. I think it will be all right. But it's obvious what happened," Clinton added.

"I think that there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons. And they thought the only way they could make it a race was a full-scale frontal assault on her. And so this email thing became the biggest story in the world," Clinton said to CNN's Fareed Zakaria in an interview that will air Sunday on "Fareed Zakaria GPS."

The 42^nd president said "we're seeing history repeat itself," citing the Whitewater scandal of the 1990s. He also said media coverage of his wife shifted from issues to politics by "people who want a race -- this is a contact sport, they're not giving the job away."

Ref: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/b...interview/