Conservative's Assertions re: Obama Admin

[IMaDick]

You're trying to argue a point that was settled many years ago, Just because you never got over it doesn't change anything.

I'm not arguing , that would be you.

We are a Representative Republic.

Our Government is not supposed to be a democracy.

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“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

~ Thomas Jefferson


As the delegates left the building, a Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got?”

With no hesitation, Franklin replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

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Jesus guys. The US is a Democratic Republic and a Constitutional Republic. You're both right.

Do me a favor and stfu.

Hey now, I can weigh in with the FACTS.

Our Government operates as a democracy, we however are a Republic and nothing else.

Correct. Which is why the US is referred to as a Democratic Republic.

It's not. The Congo is, though.

[HairOfTheDog]

[Correct. Which is why the US is referred to as a Democratic Republic.

It's not. The Congo is, though.

Let me clarify. The United States is referred to as operating as a democratic republic (sans my capitalization). It is, of course, not labeled as the Democratic Republic of the United States.

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This may be of some assistance -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican...ted_States

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[Correct. Which is why the US is referred to as a Democratic Republic.

It's not. The Congo is, though.

Let me clarify. The United States is referred to as operating as a democratic republic (sans my capitalization). It is, of course, not labeled as the Democratic Republic of the United States.

The left always uses "democracy" because they hate the unalienable rights endowed by a Creator bit that was so essential to the founders. Other people say it because they haven't read the history. The founders established a republic where individual rights could not be voted away and were not granted by the state.

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In a democracy, the left would vote away gun rights. They push the concept of democracy with the hope that one day they can do that shit.

[HairOfTheDog]

[Correct. Which is why the US is referred to as a Democratic Republic.

It's not. The Congo is, though.

Let me clarify. The United States is referred to as operating as a democratic republic (sans my capitalization). It is, of course, not labeled as the Democratic Republic of the United States.

The left always uses "democracy" because they hate the unalienable rights endowed by a Creator bit that was so essential to the founders. Other people say it because they haven't read the history. The founders established a republic where individual rights could not be voted away and were not granted by the state.

Yes. I agree.

We are operating as a democratic republic, but that is not what was originally intended by the framers of the Constitution.

Here's another good link and a snip.

http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html

"To the extent that the United States of America has moved away from its republican roots and become more "democratic," it has strayed from the intentions of the Constitution's authors...."

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I'll explore that link, Dog.

I agree that things often operate like a democracy. For instance, in a school millage, people vote to steal other people's money.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'll explore that link, Dog.

I agree that things often operate like a democracy. For instance, in a school millage, people vote to steal other people's money.

I'm not right or left on most issues. I'm usually somewhere down the middle and I'm an Independent. In reality, we have evolved to operating as a democratic republic and are referred to as such in educational and legal documents that I access, regardless of the original intent of the framers of the Constitution. This is why I don't see a big conflict in what was posted by different people upthread (though the "republic" part is, indeed, not optional). We can post tons of links and materials regarding references, so let me just label this as my opinion.

Good night...

[Cracker]

For instance, in a school millage, people vote to steal other people's money.

I concur. Same with LOSTs. We have three running at the moment.

NEVER vote yourself a tax increase. NEVER.

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What are LOSTs?

I hope to see the day when public schools are only funded by the parents with kids in them. Opt in socialism is okay by me. The rest of us can keep our money.

[Cracker]

Local Option Sales Tax. Then there are Special Purpose LOSTs (SPLOSTs, usually for schools, capital improvements only, not operations) , ELOSTs (Educational LOST, not sure if it has to be used for capital improvements), and now...TSPLOSTs (Transportation).

Pisses me off when I think about it.

The rednecks don't realize one SPLOST doesn't have to expire to vote in a new one. If you say, "It's for the children!" you pretty much can pass anything in most states.

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Pisses me off, too. I'm always pissed off on the subject of government and socialism. It's turned me into an anarchist.

[Cracker]

Buddha says chill.

[Cracker]

Ever read this?

"The United States exists in two forms: The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had very little authority.

The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial/Public Law rather than Common/Private Law.

The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”

If you want to live in a freeloading, nigger-loving, gay-marrying state, go for it. And pay for your preference. If you want to live in a gun-toting, Blue Law obeying, God fearing state, go for it. You have that right. Don't pay for abortions there.

I think the federal gov't forgot about states' rights. It is the most fundamental problem we have right now. Besides a darky in the White House. (hahaha, had to, people expect it from me)

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Yes, Cracker, I have read about the United Sates v. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, the corporation. I've never read enough, or have been able to discern, when the corporate entity came about. I've seen it claimed that it was under Lincoln; in 1913 when the Fed was created; and under FDR, in 1933 during the bankruptcy of the country. It's a very interesting subject and I know it's true. It's the details I'm not clear on. The all capital letters is one clue. The same is true for an individual. When your name is in all caps, it's the legal fiction and not you. Complicated stuff for those unfamiliar with common law. I know some experts in common but have never asked them about the USofA INC thing. I have also read that other government bodies are actually for profit corporations, which the people know nothing about. I recently read where the Salt Lake Sheriff's Dept and some other LE agency (maybe the city PD) just took it upon themselves to dissolve the public offices serving the People and made the two one private, for profit corporation to which some of them appointed themselves officers of the corp. The deceit and corruption all over this country is fucking mind boggling.

[Ma Huang Sor]

Ok so I just read all this stuff about the act passed in 1871 and must admit, I didn't know anything about any of this. Quite a learning curve and I have to take some time to digest and think about this.

I appreciate the insight and links to this info. It's expanding my consciousness in an interesting way.

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If I had been the one to post what Cracker did, there would have been a couple of sheep posting about "conspiracy theories"!

There is a LOT that people don't know about the world in they live and they'd better wake the fuck up. This is all being used against us, to steal our freedom and build a criminal establishment.

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