07-30-2018, 10:45 AM
I honestly think that Obama's biggest positive is his manner and the way he presented himself was very Presidential. That is it embraced what people would view as becoming of a President. I honestly think he set a benchmark, moreso than JFK perhaps, before him.
Obama did not deport more illegal immigrants. It was faulty stats. He practiced catch and release. Obama did not put the brakes on Iran nuclear capabilities. They lied. But they were happy to get the billions he sent them and the easing of sanctions. I do not believe he had much respect for church and state HOWEVER you are 100% right about him paving the way for gay people to marry and YES it is a good thing and he does deserve credit for that. An important oversight.
Out of interest, how many times with other Presidencies were Korean War remains returned by North Korea and when did the two leaders last cross into the DMK? Out of interest I am genuinely interested to know. Is this something that normally happens or something a little more special and unusual?
As to the birther campaign, I was not a fan. I know there has been a lot of conspiracy theories that seem plausible. Maybe there is some truth in them? Maybe he was NOT born in Hawaii. But the thing is that without evidence to the contrary NO ONE should put it all on the line like that. So what if Hillary DID say it? Why should he have thrown in behind her? It quite a strategy isn't it? "Obama's opponent said he was not born in America and so on that basis and the fact that he seems to have grown up in Kenya and Indonesia, I am going to go all in".
Its fucking stupid.
You know I remember as a Liberal, mocking the Religious Right and finding myself in similar political company of the Liberals who would mock the Religious right and seek to deride and oppose their Authoritarian and attempts to reduce freedoms and stifle debate. The Progressives do exactly the same now but the Religious Right made a play at infringing into cultural spaces and ultimately failed. The Progressives are NOT failing and I think pose a bigger threat.
As I say I DO hope that the politic norm is pulled further to the right. Not that I have any desire for the Right to become the default political ideology but because I want the Left to become more Liberal again and pull closer to the middle and be more moderate. But I will be honest, if going over to the right is needed to drop the socialist imaginings and such, so be it. This would allow the Left to reinvent and rediscover and come out better for the experience
As I have got older I have become more pragmatic about politics. The is a place in the world for both ideologies, Liberal and Conservative. Both are needed and too much of either is not a good thing and like the share market, needs a correction. Completely dominating society will one or the other is poisonous in a healthy society.
Obama did not deport more illegal immigrants. It was faulty stats. He practiced catch and release. Obama did not put the brakes on Iran nuclear capabilities. They lied. But they were happy to get the billions he sent them and the easing of sanctions. I do not believe he had much respect for church and state HOWEVER you are 100% right about him paving the way for gay people to marry and YES it is a good thing and he does deserve credit for that. An important oversight.
Out of interest, how many times with other Presidencies were Korean War remains returned by North Korea and when did the two leaders last cross into the DMK? Out of interest I am genuinely interested to know. Is this something that normally happens or something a little more special and unusual?
As to the birther campaign, I was not a fan. I know there has been a lot of conspiracy theories that seem plausible. Maybe there is some truth in them? Maybe he was NOT born in Hawaii. But the thing is that without evidence to the contrary NO ONE should put it all on the line like that. So what if Hillary DID say it? Why should he have thrown in behind her? It quite a strategy isn't it? "Obama's opponent said he was not born in America and so on that basis and the fact that he seems to have grown up in Kenya and Indonesia, I am going to go all in".
Its fucking stupid.
You know I remember as a Liberal, mocking the Religious Right and finding myself in similar political company of the Liberals who would mock the Religious right and seek to deride and oppose their Authoritarian and attempts to reduce freedoms and stifle debate. The Progressives do exactly the same now but the Religious Right made a play at infringing into cultural spaces and ultimately failed. The Progressives are NOT failing and I think pose a bigger threat.
As I say I DO hope that the politic norm is pulled further to the right. Not that I have any desire for the Right to become the default political ideology but because I want the Left to become more Liberal again and pull closer to the middle and be more moderate. But I will be honest, if going over to the right is needed to drop the socialist imaginings and such, so be it. This would allow the Left to reinvent and rediscover and come out better for the experience
As I have got older I have become more pragmatic about politics. The is a place in the world for both ideologies, Liberal and Conservative. Both are needed and too much of either is not a good thing and like the share market, needs a correction. Completely dominating society will one or the other is poisonous in a healthy society.