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Fry Guy · 09-29-2019, 05:39 AM

I think it is fantastic that they do. We see what happened in teh Obama Government with unauthorised access from Contractors. We have seen unmaskings. We have seen leakings and wiretapping. Why NOT preserve this information rather than have it "accidentally deleted" like a Jeffrey Epstein when it becomes a liability.

**Duchess** · 09-29-2019, 10:35 AM

An agreement has been reached with the whistle blower to testify before Congress. No word yet on whether it will be open or closed.

Fry Guy · 09-29-2019, 10:48 AM

The "whistleblower" can let them all know that when the public read the transcript, they all knew more than he did when he heard it off a leaker second-hand

**Duchess** · 09-29-2019, 11:02 AM

(09-29-2019, 10:48 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: The "whistleblower" can let them all know that when the public read the transcript, they all knew more than he did when he heard it off a leaker second-hand

The person/s you refer to as "the leaker" is trump staff and the whistle blower is the only patriot, that person took action while others were working to cover it up.

Fry Guy · 09-29-2019, 11:09 AM

Cover up what exactly? The transcript has been released. He did nothing wrong. The Ukraine President said there was no pressure. He asked for a favour in respect to the Crowdstrike thing. There was no quid pro quo and there was no strong-arming. It was friendly.

Trump like every President ought to be allow to have confidential conversations with world leaders. End of.

**Duchess** · 09-29-2019, 11:20 AM

president nitwit tried to use United States national security as leverage to extort a foreign government into launching a bogus investigation into his political opponent.

I'm not even going to address your stupid fuckin' comment about the Ukrainian prez denying pressure while sitting next to the guy applying pressure.

Fry Guy · 09-29-2019, 11:44 AM

It is moronic to say he extorted isn't it?
How?
There was NO expression from Trump to him that there was any money to be withheld and The Ukraine President did not know until 1 month later that Trump had decided to with hold cash until he heard from the Ukraine President and AFTER he heard, he had withheld cash. You have read the transcript, there was NO mention that there was any money on the line. No extortion, try again. Try again.
Biden is not his political opponent. Biden is not going to survive the Primaries. Warren may or they may bring back Hillary. I doubt Sanders will survive and Harris, Beto, Buttigieg and Booker are not gaining ground and will stick as 2^nd tier.
Not whilst he was sitting next to the President, when he was asked by reporters when this shitstorm hit.

**Rootilda** · 09-29-2019, 01:21 PM

How can anyone with a functioning brain read this and NOT see an extortion attempt? The part in red? It means the purchase of arms is contingent on performing a favor for Trump. It's not that fucking difficult, you god damn goobers.

Zelensky: ...I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

Fry Guy · 09-29-2019, 04:59 PM

Where is the quid pro quo?
Did he say "You do not get x if you do not give us y"
Find THAT Rootilda. I will wait.
Its a bit hard isn't it? Bit easier with Biden, but Trump had no contingencies on favour.
No one with a functioning brain would call that extortion
What else have you got Dipshit? Have you got any other CNN talking points?

**Rootilda** · 09-29-2019, 07:11 PM

"Pro Shark Media" God, what a stooge. hah

Fry Guy · 09-29-2019, 11:15 PM

I will take it as read you did not get any further than blindly accepting media's saying it was extortion.

**MirahM** · 09-30-2019, 12:42 AM

Someone is about to pop a vein.

**MirahM** · 09-30-2019, 12:43 AM

Don't pop a vein in your thing!

Fry Guy · 09-30-2019, 01:37 AM

(09-30-2019, 12:42 AM)MirahM Wrote: Someone is about to pop a vein.

Who?

**MirahM** · 09-30-2019, 10:42 AM

Just don't pop a vein!

I have to stay out of these threads this week otherwise I will get nothing done! Lets see how well I do! Maybe I can just read them but not participate? I don't know. I think I better avoid them all togehter.
What could happen in a week?

And I was talking about you Fry Guy. Your posts come across as "about to pop a vein". Not saying you are, and you uually claim you are calm, but that is not how they read for me.

Fry Guy · 09-30-2019, 11:16 AM

(09-30-2019, 10:42 AM)MirahM Wrote: Just don't pop a vein!

I have to stay out of these threads this week otherwise I will get nothing done! Lets see how well I do! Maybe I can just read them but not participate? I don't know. I think I better avoid them all togehter.
What could happen in a week?

And I was talking about you Fry Guy. Your posts come across as "about to pop a vein". Not saying you are, and you uually claim you are calm, but that is not how they read for me.

But Mirah it would be very silly to think that a man who has made their way through 48 years of life is going to be freaked out or angered (or whatever you are trying to indicate) to the point of popping a vein, because of disembodied words on the computer by a internet forum full of people I do not know, to whom I am connection only through here, and of which I voluntarily post....wouldn't it?

Read that aloud to yourself and see whether that makes any sense at all. If it doesn't then it probably makes sense not to keep telling me not to do that which was never in question. It would be like me telling you not to get hit by lightening. What would be the correct response to that? "Huh?", "Yeah Righto", "What the Fuck are you on about?". Repeating it would not lend it any more credence or make any sense.

So why do you imagine I or any one would give something like this forum that much power or connection. What do you honestly know about me and what do I honestly know about you. What do you think I could say about you that would cause you untold anguish that could not be washed away with turning off the computer, calling me an arsehole and being nasty back or mocking me? Be honest. Why do you no think that would not apply to anyone else here?

**aussiefriend** · 10-01-2019, 06:54 AM

(09-25-2019, 03:43 PM)Maggot Wrote: This is great! It will open up the corruption of Biden,Bulger and Romney sons of the politicians that had China, Ukraine, and quite a few shaky jobs pushed their way through government obstruction by their famous parents.

Yes this investigation will be delicious. The FBI just loves to go after anyone involved in these things

Apparently he has asked for Australia for help. Aussies generally want to keep out of it and not comfortable being dragged into it.

**Maggot** · 10-01-2019, 07:47 AM

(10-01-2019, 06:54 AM)aussiefriend Wrote:
(09-25-2019, 03:43 PM)Maggot Wrote: This is great! It will open up the corruption of Biden,Bulger and Romney sons of the politicians that had China, Ukraine, and quite a few shaky jobs pushed their way through government obstruction by their famous parents.

Yes this investigation will be delicious. The FBI just loves to go after anyone involved in these things
Apparently he has asked for Australia for help. Aussies generally want to keep out of it and not comfortable being dragged into it.

The Dems will fry anyone to get to Trump. They will burn down the economy and suck any world leader into the abyss to get to him. They will eat their own even. He is winning and is going to win the election because they are so extreme. This will go over like a lead balloon after people have seen the extreme measures they will go to. I think it's funny in a Boris Karloff way.

**aussiefriend** · 10-01-2019, 07:55 AM

And Maggot knows this because he was in the meetings and they told him all this first hand, so please don't assume that he is making this up and just talking out of his ass.

Fry Guy · 10-01-2019, 08:03 AM

(10-01-2019, 07:55 AM)aussiefriend Wrote: And Maggot knows this because he was in the meetings and they told him all this first hand, so please don't assume that he is making this up and just talking out of his ass.

Democrats are divided with about half going for Socialists and about half going for Moderates. This will fracture them. Two warring halves. If the Socialists win, many Moderate Liberals will be turned off and if the moderates win many Socialist inclined will be put off.

In Congress apart from failed investigations and efforts from Mueller and gang and Avenatti and Stormy and Cohen and Lanny Davis and such, they have failed on every turn AND importantly have nothing to show for it.

What will the members of the House and Senate be able to show their constituents for what they have achieved for their respective states.

The Republicans at least can ride Trump's coattails a little BUT what have the Democrats got in quantifiable achievement?

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