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ABORTION IN THE UNITED STATES
It's probably OK to insert a syringe into a babys skull and kill it right before it's born in cases of rape or Saturday night fever.
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(09-23-2022, 08:12 AM)Maggot Wrote: It's probably OK to insert a syringe into a babys skull and kill it right before it's born in cases of rape or Saturday night fever.

Is that happening with viable births? 
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(09-22-2022, 11:23 PM)Carsman Wrote: DeSantis has the right idea. Florida allows abortions till the “15” week of pregnancy.
That is reasonable time for a woman to decide whether or not to abort. 
Jackass politicians should/must stay the fuck out of the equation and leave the decision to abort to the woman! 

(09-23-2022, 07:26 AM)Duchess Wrote: I still don't understand why anyone reading this would think a stranger's body is your business. It boggles the mind much in the same way it does when you think you get a say in who a person can marry. 
Gay people getting married are not taking anyone's life so it is not the same at all. Abortion is a moral issue and even moreso after a certain point which is why there should be a cut off point. 15 weeks with the exception of fetal anomalies or the mother's life in jeopardy is reasonable and more than enough time. The whole country should adopt this policy and shut the fuck up about it already.
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Bitch please. It's not our business, not yours, not mine and it sure as hell isn't the business of any man what women do with their own bodies. The fucking nerve of some of you. Not your fucking business. There is no way to be any more clear than that. Who the hell do you people think you are anyway?
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If someone murders someone it's none of my business either, but there are laws saying you can't do it, right? You can't just go around killing people, right? Well aborting a developed baby who is kicking for no other reason than you just didn't get around to it earlier is a form of murder too. And if there are no laws saying that it is wrong then plenty of people will be doing it because people are stupid, fucked up assholes.
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And if half the people belive abortion is morally wrong and the other half believe it's no one's business then really the only thing you can do is to try to appease everyone by giving a reasonable time limit which is just before the baby is fully developed and kicking. And that is plenty of time. But that won't please everyone because there are people like you from both sides of the issue that want to debate this until they're dead.
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So you believe that strangers are entitled to your private medical information.
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(09-22-2022, 03:30 PM)Duchess Wrote: 166 House republicans have co-sponsored a "Life Begins at Conception" bill that would use the 14th Amendment to criminalize all abortion after the moment of fertilization, with no exceptions for rape, incest or the health of the woman.

Do any of you view that as extreme?

What those house Republicans fail to understand,  is by allowing abortions, they are eliminating future welfare recipients.     Those old geezers have no foresight.
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(09-23-2022, 01:10 PM)Duchess Wrote: So you believe that strangers are entitled to your private medical information.

Well apparently you do because you were perfectly fine with people being fired from their jobs for not getting a covid shot. Making abortion illegal after 15 weeks just means that doctors aren't allowed to perform them just for the fuck of it.
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(09-23-2022, 01:21 PM)sally Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 01:10 PM)Duchess Wrote: So you believe that strangers are entitled to your private medical information.

Well apparently you do because you were perfectly fine with people being fired from their jobs for not getting a covid shot. Making abortion illegal after 15 weeks just means that doctors aren't allowed to perform them just for the fuck of it.

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Why not just let it go full term then sell it?
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(09-23-2022, 01:21 PM)sally Wrote: Well apparently you do because you were perfectly fine with people being fired from their jobs for not getting a covid shot. Making abortion illegal after 15 weeks just means that doctors aren't allowed to perform them just for the fuck of it.

Holy fuck balls. I haven't been arguing about the 15 week cut off. All I've been saying is that it is no one's business, that's it, that was the whole point I was trying to make. It is a decision to be made privately between a woman and her doctor, not a woman and some of the population of the United States of America. Who the hell are we to be making medical decisions for anyone other than ourselves? I'm not talking about people's kids or their senior parents either.

When people hold jobs where they are dealing with the public at the height of a deadly pandemic you're damn straight I thought they should lose their jobs if they didn't want to comply. I make no apologies for that stance.
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(09-23-2022, 02:30 PM)Maggot Wrote: Why not just let it go full term then sell it?

Why are you presenting this as if women want to wait until they are near giving birth and for the hell of it decide to terminate it? 
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(09-23-2022, 02:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 02:30 PM)Maggot Wrote: Why not just let it go full term then sell it?

Why are you presenting this as if women want to wait until they are near giving birth and for the hell of it decide to terminate it? 

Because when the Dems say that thePubs are blocking abortion they do not say the cut off at 15 weeks. They try and make it seem that the pubs dont want any abortion.
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(09-23-2022, 02:43 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 01:21 PM)sally Wrote: Well apparently you do because you were perfectly fine with people being fired from their jobs for not getting a covid shot. Making abortion illegal after 15 weeks just means that doctors aren't allowed to perform them just for the fuck of it.

Holy fuck balls. I haven't been arguing about the 15 week cut off. All I've been saying is that it is no one's business, that's it, that was the whole point I was trying to make. It is a decision to be made privately between a woman and her doctor, not a woman and some of the population of the United States of America. Who the hell are we to be making medical decisions for anyone other than ourselves? I'm not talking about people's kids or their senior parents either.

When people hold jobs where they are dealing with the public at the height of a deadly pandemic you're damn straight I thought they should lose their jobs if they didn't want to comply. I make no apologies for that stance.

So what the hell are you arguing with me about then? Florida's policy is that abortion clinics can't legally perform abortions after 15 weeks unless a medical doctor deems it necessary because the women's life is in jeopardy or there are severe fetal anomalies that would severely affect the quality of life. DeSantis is not spying on what women do with their OB GYNs. If every state had this policy, it would be the end of this abortion discussion for good.
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And as far as this forced covid vaccine, it was experimental. It did not stop anyone from catching it or spreading it. All it did was maybe lessen the symptoms for compromised people. They fired thousands of first responders from their jobs for not getting this vaccine, the very people who worked the entire time when a vaccine wasn't available. Then they ended up in the predicament where they had to allow covid positive people who had the vaccine to work while still contagious because they fired all the unvaxxed people. This makes sense to you? And I guarantee if the vaccine came out sooner while Trump was still in office, the media and Dems would have totally turned the tables on this little experiment. It would have went from the vaccine saving lives to it killing everyone.
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Another thing is that a lot of these nurses, doctors and first responders already caught it before there was a vaccine. They risked their lives and now they are forced to take this experimental drug for something they already had and have either better or at least equal immunity as someone who had the vaccine You are an asshole, Duchess! And everyone else who agrees with your firm stance.
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