Post: #29

(02-22-2012 12:41 AM)Tonyg41 Wrote:  The cop did what he was allowed to do within the law and didn't break any laws or protocol however,I think there has been alot of over use in recent years with tasers. Alot of cops are turning to tasers as a quick ender to confrontation regardless of risk and hazards in doing it.
I can understand if a cops life or someone elses is in danger or if the cop is up against someone that has an advantage.Using this type of force on a 100 lb girl because he didn't feel like running that day is pure stupidity, or a cop will use it on a woman because she doesn't want to get out of her car.
A taser is a potentially lethal tool, partially because of the shock it delivers to the human body but also the danger it puts that person in to depending on their environment. A police officer needs to treat it as such and be aware of the potential risk it carries to whom ever they use it on.

This is as dumb as a box of rocks, every police officer who carries a taser has been tased , they have extensive training courses in regards to their use and and their legal obligations when it is used they qualify with it regularly just like their duty weapon.

tasers are considered non lethal force that's why we carry guns, those are lethal force, it's a tough choice sometimes to tase a guy when you would really rather shoot him but as usual we try to be nice.

Post: #30

(02-22-2012 02:58 AM)IMaDick Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 12:41 AM)Tonyg41 Wrote:  The cop did what he was allowed to do within the law and didn't break any laws or protocol however,I think there has been alot of over use in recent years with tasers. Alot of cops are turning to tasers as a quick ender to confrontation regardless of risk and hazards in doing it.
I can understand if a cops life or someone elses is in danger or if the cop is up against someone that has an advantage.Using this type of force on a 100 lb girl because he didn't feel like running that day is pure stupidity, or a cop will use it on a woman because she doesn't want to get out of her car.
A taser is a potentially lethal tool, partially because of the shock it delivers to the human body but also the danger it puts that person in to depending on their environment. A police officer needs to treat it as such and be aware of the potential risk it carries to whom ever they use it on.

This is as dumb as a box of rocks, every police officer who carries a taser has been tased , they have extensive training courses in regards to their use and and their legal obligations when it is used they qualify with it regularly just like their duty weapon.

tasers are considered non lethal force that's why we carry guns, those are lethal force, it's a tough choice sometimes to tase a guy when you would really rather shoot him but as usual we try to be nice.

Yes, every police officer is tasered in academy that doesn't mean its gonna make them think before dropping someone else. Tasers are considered non lethal your right that doesn't mean they wont kill people in the right circumstance.
I am not saying dont use tasers I am saying dont use them in a situation where you could easily control with some physical force. A 200lb guy tasering a drugged up 100lb girl because he was too lazy to just tackle her is stupidity.
If you have the mindset of wishing you could shoot someone over tasering because they pissed you off. You shouldn't remain a cop or you became one for the wrong reasons.

Post: #31

More bullshit from the brain dead leg humper.

police officers think before they use any force.

Post: #32

many lives have been saved, police officer and suspect, by use of the taser.

the statistically rare few who have died have been (usually) coked up, or had medical conditions that no cop could know.

i will maintain forever, a taser beats a bullet. many people who would have been shot in the past are now tased instead. criminals should be thankful for them.


note, in this instance the Trooper weighed nearly 300 lbs. she weighed 100. she ran out into traffic. he dropped her so she wouldn't be hit by a car, he didn't want to play in the traffic either, & if he tackled her someone would be screaming about the weight difference.

Post: #33

(02-22-2012 03:53 AM)IMaDick Wrote:  police officers think before they use any force.

Oh please, my eyes are rolling back in my head.

Post: #34

I agree with duchess my eyes rolled when I read dick's statement of thinking before use of force.

LC, She did not run out into traffic, you have to remember she was in the parking lot for a park substation she ran out into the parking lot and the police cruiser that filmed it was basically protecting where she was running. The cop that tased her was literally within a arms reach so instead of grabbing her he tased her, and she was handcuffed to top it all off.

There is no doubt that tasers have given officers options over using their guns and saved criminal lives in that sense. In situations where officers have the upper hand and there is no threat to others there is no reason to use a taser, not to use it to just stop someone from running around. Think about it where was she going to go in a park substation parking lot handcuffed. Getting hit by a car going 15 miles a hour would have probably had a better outcome.

Post: #35

(02-22-2012 06:04 AM)Duchess Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 03:53 AM)IMaDick Wrote:  police officers think before they use any force.

Oh please, my eyes are rolling back in my head.

With the civil liabilities that police face on a daily basis , you can bet my accounting is correct and your eyes rolling back in your head is more than likely due to brain damage or a tumor or both.

Post: #36

(02-22-2012 06:27 AM)Tonyg41 Wrote:  I agree with duchess my eyes rolled when I read dick's statement of thinking before use of force.

LC, She did not run out into traffic, you have to remember she was in the parking lot for a park substation she ran out into the parking lot and the police cruiser that filmed it was basically protecting where she was running. The cop that tased her was literally within a arms reach so instead of grabbing her he tased her, and she was handcuffed to top it all off.

There is no doubt that tasers have given officers options over using their guns and saved criminal lives in that sense. In situations where officers have the upper hand and there is no threat to others there is no reason to use a taser, not to use it to just stop someone from running around. Think about it where was she going to go in a park substation parking lot handcuffed. Getting hit by a car going 15 miles a hour would have probably had a better outcome.

look at her hands, is she handcuffed?

all of our drug laws are in place to keep druggies from hurting other people.

This person was an escaped druggie, escape is not a cool thing no matter how it looks on TV. it's a serious crime in and of itself, remember cops don't write the laws, they are there to enforce what the public has asked for or remained silent while their respective governments passed laws of control for them.

The police rarely have the upper hand, if you think that's bullshit, pull over a car full of people by yourself at night in rural area and tell me how powerful you feel.

Post: #37

Drugs are destroying this country! Any way you look at it a life is gone, and someone loved her.

Post: #38

(02-22-2012 03:41 AM)Tonyg41 Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:58 AM)IMaDick Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 12:41 AM)Tonyg41 Wrote:  The cop did what he was allowed to do within the law and didn't break any laws or protocol however,I think there has been alot of over use in recent years with tasers. Alot of cops are turning to tasers as a quick ender to confrontation regardless of risk and hazards in doing it.
I can understand if a cops life or someone elses is in danger or if the cop is up against someone that has an advantage.Using this type of force on a 100 lb girl because he didn't feel like running that day is pure stupidity, or a cop will use it on a woman because she doesn't want to get out of her car.
A taser is a potentially lethal tool, partially because of the shock it delivers to the human body but also the danger it puts that person in to depending on their environment. A police officer needs to treat it as such and be aware of the potential risk it carries to whom ever they use it on.

This is as dumb as a box of rocks, every police officer who carries a taser has been tased , they have extensive training courses in regards to their use and and their legal obligations when it is used they qualify with it regularly just like their duty weapon.

tasers are considered non lethal force that's why we carry guns, those are lethal force, it's a tough choice sometimes to tase a guy when you would really rather shoot him but as usual we try to be nice.

Yes, every police officer is tasered in academy that doesn't mean its gonna make them think before dropping someone else. Tasers are considered non lethal your right that doesn't mean they wont kill people in the right circumstance.
I am not saying dont use tasers I am saying dont use them in a situation where you could easily control with some physical force. A 200lb guy tasering a drugged up 100lb girl because he was too lazy to just tackle her is stupidity.
If you have the mindset of wishing you could shoot someone over tasering because they pissed you off. You shouldn't remain a cop or you became one for the wrong reasons.

Your assumptions are idiotic. Somewhere along the line you have come to think that whatever confrontation between a police officer and an asshole should be John Wayne style "Fair".
Fuck that, where is it written that a police officer should risk any harm to himself while tryinf to subdue a suspect? There are enough oportunitied for an officer to get injured during everyday operations, why should he not use whatever non lethal tool in his arsenal at his discretion to take a perp in hand without risking anything.
Yes there has been a Lot of use of tasers over the last few years. That is because they were not widely available until a few years ago. Before that it was either a fist fight, dog pile or deadly force.
I have done a lot of securith work over the years and been a shitload of fight with drunks and other idiots, usually managed to pound them into submission, but along the way picked up more than one scar. Fuck that, I wish I had had a taser available back then, I would be much better off and so would have a lot of the guys I hit with a mag light or sent to the ER with a disloacted shoulder, broken bones etc..

Golf Clap for the FHP officer

Post: #39

Dick did you even read the article or watch the video, they said it and you can see she was cuffed from the front. Huge mistake the police made, she wouldn't have run so fast cuffed from the back she might have even fell over on her own being unbalanced. The he would have been able to just grab her and it would have been over.

Sixfooter there is a difference between drunk guys full of testosterone at a event and a drugged out little girl. Like I said before I am not against taser usage, I just think they are over used for unnecessary reasons. I have seen cops taser women just because they wouldn't put their hands on the hood and they knew they didn't have any weapons or anything.

Post: #40

according to reports i have read, she had slipped out of one cuff.
she was headed for the highway, Rte. 19.


just for general interest, here are sites for FHP and FDLE--->


FHP

http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/

FDLE
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/home.aspx


PoliceOne
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. — An internal investigation cleared a trooper who in September used a TASER on a woman now in a coma.

Florida Highway Patrol Trooper Daniel Cole was cleared of wrongdoing in using his TASER on Danielle Maudsley, 20, a suspect in two hit-and-runs. In the dash cam video, Maudsley falls to the ground after the hit, which happened as Cole pursued her when she tried to escape from the FHP station.

Use-of-force expert Dave Klinger reviewed the video Friday and did not comment on the use of the TASER, but said handcuffing Maudsley in the front was an "inappropriate" tactic that may have facilitated her escape. According to the police report, Maudsley sat at the police station as Cole completed paperwork and was not handcuffed to any stationary object.

Cole was named Pinellas Trooper of the Year in 2000 and has been with the Florida Highway Patrol since 1998. Cole used his TASER once before on a suicidal man on a bridge, who did not suffer ill effects.

Former LAPD captain Greg Meyer said Maudsley's reaction to the device was atypical.

"It's been a very outstanding tool when it's used properly," Meyer said. "This type of an injury from falling down from a Taser is extremely unusual."

Under FHP policy, troopers can use TASERs when it "reasonably appears necessary to control non-compliant individuals who have escalated their level of resistance from passive physical resistance to active physical resistance (i.e.: bracing, tensing, pushing, or pulling)," according to the Tampa Bay Times. The detained person, the policy goes on to say, must appear to either be trying to escape or flee or physically threatening others.