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BITCHFEST -- THE EXTREMISTS ON THE FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT
(08-14-2018, 12:27 PM)Donovan Wrote:
(08-08-2018, 01:56 PM)Maggot Wrote: It's not so bad once people realize which way they lean. It's common today and I could care less about Alex Jones I don't even know what his voice sounds like but I to am getting sick of the one sided rhetoric that the violent left uses to cover their own. Everyone knows the violence and aggressive behavior is reserved for the group of citizens that believe in peace and love the left as long as everyone stays in stride with the party.

There are at least five outright lies in this post.

The left believing in peace and love was sarcasm.  Smiley_emoticons_razz
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(08-14-2018, 11:52 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: When I want to make a case, I have no problem stating it directly and going about presenting it FryGuy.

I'm not making a case on this one. I didn't claim or suggest that everyone was peaceful, or that there were no violent idiots in the crowds, or that lack of arrests meant that all in attendance were perfectly behaved. It doesn't matter if you 'feel' like you can read my mind or how many times you imagine, project and imply something that isn't there -- you're wrong.

What I DID say was that there was no significant violence or property damage reported at this weekend's rally and protests, which I consider a good thing and a relief. That, along with updates and quotes from the law enforcement and mayors who've expressed the same relief that significant violence and damage did not occur again this year, is what I feel and what I've posted. That's all there is to it.

You insist that the events were generally violent ones and that lack of more arrests is because police didn't want to arrest people. That's the case YOU put forth. It's not necessary to create a counterpoint to a point I never made in order to make your own case. If anyone here agrees or disagrees with your case, they'll engage with you about it if they're so inclined.

Precisely. It is the counterpoint you stated I did not have
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No, FryGuy. I stated that your counterpoint, addressed to me, doesn't counter any point I made.

You're free to express your presumptuous 'feelings' about how I REALLY think and feel. But, I obviously know better and have already expressed my thoughts and feelings clearly.

Instead, your case/point counters the reports and statements from officials at the scene. They said the rally and protests were largely peaceful, with some tense and violent incidents which resulted in no deaths or serious injuries.

If you think you know how to assess and characterize what went down better than the reporters and officials or that they're lying for some reason............it makes more sense to take it up with them or someone here who's interested in discussing the merits, or lack thereof, pertaining to the case you've put forth.
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I'm glad the Tea party people didn't block streets, shit on the sidewalks, invade public parks with tents, beat up people, throw things at cops, and..............they cleaned up after themselves after the rallies. What a bunch of pigs!  Wt
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(08-14-2018, 04:22 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: No, FryGuy.  I stated that your counterpoint, addressed to me, doesn't counter any point I made.

You're free to express your presumptuous 'feelings' about how I REALLY think and feel.  But,  I obviously  know better and have already expressed my thoughts and feelings clearly.

Instead, your case/point counters the reports and statements from officials at the scene. They said the rally and protests were largely peaceful, with some tense and violent incidents which resulted in no deaths or serious injuries.  

If you think you know how to assess and characterize what went down better than the reporters and officials or that they're lying for some reason............it makes more sense to take it up with them or someone here who's interested in discussing the merits, or lack thereof, pertaining to the case you've put forth.

Okay. Were any cars smashed or attacked?
Were any reporters attacked?
Were any people threatened?
Were any people attacked?
Was any property damaged?

If I could find instances where ALL of these things happened but no one was charged or prosecuted, would it still remain a peaceful affair because the lack of people charged with crimes was low?

If that is the bar that we judge these things can I tell you about the about the number of "protesters" arrested for rioting smashing windows, assaulting people burning shit and generally being thugs in Berkerley AND ALL wearing the Antifa get up. You can then let me know just how close the correlation between peaceful and how many arrests and how Antifa are generally well-behaved and how they are more comparative to protesters than Extremist thugs. 

Out of interest do you think the reporter and camera man that were assaulted which WAS captured on film was shown on the network of the reporter was covering the rally for? What kid of narrative did they go with about the rally? Why do you imagine that is?

No maybe it is simply me getting my facts wrong and providing no counterpoint?

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Who was that reporter that was crying that the Trump supporters were picking on him..........Acosta that's his name, he didn't get things thrown at him, his camera man did not get the camera knocked away in fact some of the Trump people asked for his autograph and he cried and bitched like it was the end of the world on a few shows.

At the latest rally that the anti-fa domestic terrorists invaded they were throwing things at the NBC crew threatening them and knocking over the camera mans camera threatening them with bodily harm. They did not go the scenic route of hitting the talk shows complaining, about the domestic terrorists beating on them. Not a peep was heard in the mainstream media about it. Why?


Because the mainstream media only wants to throw dirt at anything Trump does. Proof positive of the one sided media influence on gullible Americans.
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FryGuy......the Berkeley protest from a couple of years back obviously did not go down in Charlottesville or DC last weekend and is thus not relevant to what we were actually discussing.

However, it was covered upthread and in the EXERCISING YOUR 1ST AMENDMENT thread. The violence and vandalism, along with the liberal students and others who committed it, were roundly condemned and criticized, not only by me and others here, but also across the media.

As for Charlottesville and DC last weekend.....neither I nor anyone else here claimed that the massive police presence wasn't a factor in preventing significant violence and vandalism from going down. Nor did I or anyone else here claim that there's a direct correlation between the number of arrests and the level of tension / violence at last weekend's protests (or any other protests).

You insist that there weren't scores more justifiable arrests last weekend only because police 'didn't want to arrest people', FryGuy. I haven't heard police make such a declaration. I'd be interested in seeing your source.
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Police in Charlottesville were widely criticized for being unprepared and failing to break up violent conflicts last year. They were prepared this year and there were no white supremacists present.

DC police were also prepared, shielded the handful of white supremacists who showed up, and contained the situation during their stand-off with some violent Antifa members who consider police in the U.S. brutal and enabling of racists.

According to the reports from LE and city officials, there was no significant violence or vandalism this year like there was last year. I consider that a positive change and a relief -- that was my point which I've reiterated at least five times now.

Don't like my relief that no one was killed, no one was seriously injured, and no significant property damage went down this year and want to argue about it? That strikes me as weird, but it's your problem and there's no rational argument to be made.

So, you're free to keep throwing all kinds of deflective shit against the wall and arguing against your own imagination / projections and positioning it as if you're challenging me on something it 'seems" to you that I said and even something that you wrongly imagine I think. I don't care what motivates you to do that and I'm not gonna waste any more time on it FryGuy.
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(08-15-2018, 10:28 AM)Maggot Wrote: Who was that reporter that was crying that the Trump supporters were picking on him..........Acosta that's his name, he didn't get things thrown at him, his camera man did not get the camera knocked away in fact some of the Trump people asked for his autograph and he cried and bitched like it was the end of the world on a few shows.

Oh really. Crying that people were picking on him? Have you got something to back that up, maybe some video or audio? Aside for FOX, the news that fools believe, many of the journalists are getting death threats, more than one has had to be escorted to their car by the Secret Service because trump has worked them into a frenzy with his lies and bluster. trump is a pathological liar, even about things that easily dis-proven, it doesn't stop him because people like you believe what he says. I used to find it difficult to believe that you would actually hire someone of that caliber to work for you. He lies, cheats and steals, he hasn't a single redeeming quality nor is he fit for office and yet, you defend him weekly. Character matters. Words matter.
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That came across a little more strongly than I had intended. Ugh.
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Yeah Antifa is tossing death threats out on everyone. I'm with ya. And I do believe they are a domestic terrorist organization.
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(08-15-2018, 02:07 PM)Maggot Wrote: Yeah Antifa is tossing death threats out on everyone. I'm with ya. And I do believe they are a domestic terrorist organization.

I don't know much about them. Are they some of the people that hide behind masks? That bullshit irks me.
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(08-15-2018, 02:32 PM)Duchess Wrote: I don't know much about them. Are they some of the people that hide behind masks? That bullshit irks me.

Antifa coalition members typically do cover their faces when they attend rallies, protests and events to physically confront those whom they consider fascists and people promoting fascist policies/ideologies.

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They often proactively instigate violence against those whom they oppose and consider it to be self-defense and defense against authoritarianism, fascism, racism, and the like.  Violent proactive resistance is part of their strategy.  I completely disagree with that strategy, it's criminal.

Democrats and Liberals have also condemned that strategy publicly many times.  It's one of the reasons Antifa doesn't link itself with the left wing of U.S. politics -- they consider those who aren't willing to physically fight against fascism (regardless of political affiliation) weak and sometimes complicit, based on the Antifa interviews I've read.  

Antifa members/supporters also do a lot of administrative, advocacy, and activist work which doesn't involve physical confrontation.

You can read more about Antifa, how they organize and their missions here, if you're interested:  https://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/09/11/...s-berkeley  
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Thanks, HotD. I can't take their message seriously. Violence, threats, hiding their faces, I don't agree with any of that. That's not how you get people to listen to you. I wouldn't even want to be around them given the way they look.
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(08-15-2018, 01:48 PM)Duchess Wrote: That came across a little more strongly than I had intended. Ugh.

I'm kinda glad about that, and I would never shoot your emotional support pet spider.
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Yup. Antifa is in the gutter with White Supremacists. They always need strong police presence at every instance a dozen or more of them get together because they anonymously start shit. They same could be said of BLM, BAMN and god only knows how many other Leftist "activist" groups. The same with Unite the Right and other Far Right White Supremacist groups.
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(08-15-2018, 04:33 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm kinda glad about that, and I would never shoot your emotional support pet spider.

Did you...did you say, pet spi..spi..spider?
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(08-15-2018, 05:02 PM)Duchess Wrote:
(08-15-2018, 04:33 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm kinda glad about that, and I would never shoot your emotional support pet spider.

Did you...did you say, pet spi..spi..spider?

You dag. I'm right there with you. It's messed up. Yet pet spider until the bugger kills ya.
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We get huntsman spiders in our house. They are mostly harmless. Rarely more than one. Whenever we have a new one wander in, I name it Harry and call out "Gday Harry" as I go past.
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Dear God. Huntsman spiders are the size of doors.  *shudders*
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