(07-25-2012, 12:34 AM)Mustang Wrote: i think yingling also mentioned amy tenyck as the driver but i was pretty shook up by his orher testimony and wasnt listening as closely as i should have. gotta be honest though... as much as i want to believe yingling i cant help but wonder why, if lisa was dead, they would txke the time to bag and tape her head. i hope theres a reason that makes sense to the jury because this asshole needs to enjoy one last drug buzz. administered by the state of ohio.

(07-24-2012, 12:51 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:
This testimony is where we're seeing the first connection to the defendant Samuel Williams besides the cigarette butt prosecutors mentioned in Opening Statements.

Cousino testified that she is friends with Williams and the other man charged in the Springfield Township murders, Cameo Pettaway.

(07-24-2012, 02:04 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Just talked to Mustang who is at lunch. Alexandra Cousino is the only common thread of all the parties involved at this point. She had to read a text msg yesterday between herself and somebody she was arguing with. This was from 2-1-11. Bitch don't fuck with me. Watch the news. I can tie
people up wrap them with duct tape and leave them for dead.

(07-24-2012, 02:25 PM)tlynne Wrote: Sounds like this cousino bitch is going down.

(07-24-2012, 06:24 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: ...They had them sit on chairs in the kitchen.They put a bag over Lisa's head to make John talk.

(07-24-2012, 10:13 PM)Mustang Wrote: ...

also, otd got it a bit wrong. yingling said sam told him they were putting the bag over lisa's head and cutting off her air til she passed out to get johnny to tell them where the safe was. sam told him he'd never forget the crinkling sound of the bag being sucked into her mouth. they made her pass out twice but the third time she never came back. sam and cameo went to the garage for a cig and to decide what to do about johnny. while they were in the garage eric taylor killed johnny.

(02-02-2011, 08:56 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: Lucas County Coroner James Patrick said autopsies performed Tuesday showed that both Ms. Straub and Mr. Clarke died from asphyxiation. They had injuries to their necks but no other significant marks, he said.

(07-25-2012, 02:13 AM)NightOwl

[color=#32CD32' Wrote: She testified that Ms. Straub bought a "pit bull" puppy from her for $100, but only paid $50. Ms. Cousino and Clarke also had a dispute in January, 2011, over a car she bought from him but ultimately returned to him. She said she was upset about the car and at one point told Clarke she would beat up his girlfriend.[/color]

Judge Bates asked her whether she told Williams or Mr. Pettaway about the dispute with Clarke over the car. She said she did not."

http://http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2012/07/25/Witness-says-defendant-talked-in-jail.html

(07-25-2012, 03:36 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: "We also know there was the DNA of an unknown male on the duct tape on the back of johnny Clarke's neck. We know that there was DNA left on the duct tape around Johnny Clarke's ankles by a woman who's never been identified."

They say the male DNA is of an "unknown male"
The female DNA is by a woman who's never been identified.
Big difference between unknown and unidentified.
Ithink they know who the woman is, and she will be identified,
because she is known, it just hasnt been told yet.

(07-25-2012, 03:36 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: "We also know there was the DNA of an unknown male on the duct tape on the back of johnny Clarke's neck. We know that there was DNA left on the duct tape around Johnny Clarke's ankles by a woman who's never been identified."

They say the male DNA is of an "unknown male"
The female DNA is by a woman who's never been identified.
Big difference between unknown and unidentified.
Ithink they know who the woman is, and she will be identified,
because she is known, it just hasnt been told yet.

(07-24-2012, 06:24 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Sam told Yingling that it was it was himself, Pettaway and ERIC TAYLOR that did the killings.

(07-24-2012, 06:26 PM)Sonny223 Wrote: The woman's DNA found on the tape has to be a friend/associate of the accused. The peeps wouldn't bring a random woman to do a job that entails strong men.. This A.C. Needs further investigating, get her DNA off a drink, cig, whatever and elimate her once and for all.. She would be the one that probably put this whole thing together with everything we know now. The 1 person that connects the dots.

(07-24-2012, 07:57 PM)Aberlin Wrote:

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Sorry for posting this in code...kept loosing my formatting when I was trying to post...

Is it just me, or does something seem odd here? If any of my points aren’t accurate, please correct me. If nothing else, I don't, at the moment, see any other person that the clues point to as to who either set this up, or was the unknown female at the scene:

1.    Alexandra bought a car from Johnny with a down payment of $750 but
        wrecked the car shortly afterwards and didn’t want to pay the remaining
        $750
               a. Johnny’s parents had to pick the car up and put $900 worth of
                    repairs into it
               b. Alexandra started calling Johnny and Lisa threatening to blow their
                   house up and have Johnny and Lisa killed
                          i. Police were made aware of these threats
               c. Car was sold to another friend

2.    Alexandra Cousino is the only “friend link” between the defendants and
        the victims (no one else in Johnny or Lisa’s circle seem to know who they
        are).

3.    Alexandra texts someone a day after the murder “Bitch don't fuck with
        me. Watch the news. I can tie people up wrap them with duct tape and
        leave them for dead.” These are three different verbs connected by the
        same event (“watch the news”…referring to a particular news story). She
        is either lying to gain fear, or telling the truth.
               a. It wasn’t until the opening statements that it was known that
                   Lisa’s legs “had been” TIED with an “article of clothing”
                         i. Alexandra uses three verbs separately: tie, wrap, and leave
                                   1. To “leave” a location means you were at a location
                                             a. Could have simply been lying
                                             b. Could have revealed the truth in a fit of rage
                                   2. How did she know about the “tying”?
                                             a. Perhaps she got wind of some insider
                                                 information
                                             b. Perhaps she knows from experiencing it
                         ii. We’ve known for a while there was the mysterious “black
                             and pink pants found under Lisa’s body”
                                   1. Perhaps this means she put up such a fight that she
                                       freed her legs, and they had to bludgeon her on the
                                       head to control her
                                             a. Makes sense if Johnny was killed first, she saw
                                                 the bag coming as Johnny did. Johnny thrashed
                                                 around so much he bruised his knees, hips,
                                                 elbows, and chin (as did Lisa). So much
                                                 thrashing they had to hold Johnny down with all
                                                 their weight, and perhaps bludgeon Lisa on the
                                                 head.
                                                       i. Lisa’s wounds could have been from the
                                                          bedroom struggle too
4.    Alexandra is later caught with three large bags of marijuana
               a. Scale in Lisa’s home tested positive for marijuana
                         i. There was at least enough marijuana there to require
                            portioning it out through the help of a scale, and large
                            enough buds to require cutting with a knife.
5.    Alexandra posts on her facebook weeks after the murder that’s she’s
        “laying low and getting her life in order”
               a. Could mean nothing
               b. Could mean everything
6.    Alexandra deletes her facebook page right after Sam Williams is arrested

(07-24-2012, 08:13 PM)Love Hippos Wrote: I've been following this heinous crime since it happened and want to thank everyone who is attending the trial on Mock's behalf!

I find it quite interesting TW states in the Pettaway trial she found out about Johnny and Lisa's deaths from Tony Watson but stated in the Williams' trial she learned the news from Maytee.


I certainly hope LE and the prosecutors have taken note of this discrepancy.

(07-24-2012, 08:15 PM)justme Wrote: Somehow I still want to blame Maytee for setting the robbery up--just a gut feeling that I've had from the start----anyone else????

(07-24-2012, 08:26 PM)misshmarie23 Wrote:

(07-24-2012, 07:57 PM)Aberlin Wrote:

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Sorry for posting this in code...kept loosing my formatting when I was trying to post...

all that would make perfect sence also didn't they say female DNA was found on the duct take on johnny perhapes she had a male hold johnnys head down with there foot or knee so she could personally tie him up for "screwing" her out of the car...& i must say from exprience when alexs wants something done she gets it done...whether its by bribe or w.e she has to do. she proves a point ive seen it with my own eyes. shes CRAZY. and really strong 4 being so little

(07-25-2012, 12:41 AM)WolfHouse Wrote: Just a couple facts left out by the snitch. Hmmmm....Interesting.

(07-25-2012, 03:36 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: "We also know there was the DNA of an unknown male on the duct tape on the back of johnny Clarke's neck. We know that there was DNA left on the duct tape around Johnny Clarke's ankles by a woman who's never been identified."

They say the male DNA is of an "unknown male"
The female DNA is by a woman who's never been identified.
Big difference between unknown and unidentified.
I think they know who the woman is, and she will be identified,
because she is known, it just hasnt been told yet.

(07-25-2012, 04:02 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: ^ I think you've nailed it!

(07-25-2012, 02:54 AM)koko Wrote: i still don't know how they could have been bound without the killers using enough force, whether kneeling or somehow pinning them down or hitting them or something, to leave significant marks, unless the killers confronted Johnny & Lisa separately and as a group...

(07-25-2012, 05:09 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I also find it strange that she called Johnny's phone THIRTY TIMES and Lisa's TWENTY TIMES. Doesn't that seem like a ridiculous number of calls? It's almost as though she was trying to establish that she was AWAY from the scene of the crime. Was she - really?