Mock
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Printable Version

+- Mock (https://mockforums.net)
+-- Forum: Serious Shit? (https://mockforums.net/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Lady Cop's Cell Block - Crime Forum (https://mockforums.net/forum-21.html)
+--- Thread: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered (/thread-4737.html)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 1174 1175 1176 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 1182 1183 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 1196 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1214 1215 1216 1217 1218 1219 1220 1221

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 08-16-2012

BULLSHIT!! that's all I have to say. He "may not" of killed them but HE WAS THERE. So he's just as damn guilty.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 08-16-2012

Shell: " I'm not worried about prison time, it doesn't matter if it takes 20 yrs they will catch the true killers."
--------------------------------


that is quite a cavalier attitude about living in prison at his age. innocent people who are serving time are screaming their innocence.
in fact it sounds like bullshit and bravado. maybe there is something to the story that he will be amassing funds while incarcerated. but even if he's collecting a fortune, someone WILL want to shank him. and he will never have a good steak or a woman again. it's not a happy existence, even if he becomes institutionalized.
as for people not capable of murder...whoever killed Johnny and Lisa did not go there with the intent to murder. things got out of control. they got scared and panicked. anything could happen to a thug who was just a robber before.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 08-16-2012

Shell52486

Was Cameo Christened?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - MikeyA - 08-16-2012

Yes, Sam and Cameo were both there. The cigarette was not planted, there was no party there, and their DNA did not get on it by some other method. Their lack of an alibi and their refusal to talk is the reason why Sam is in jail and why Cameo should be.

I do believe AC and Maytee both had something else to do with it as well. The only one that I really believe anything from is TW but it's only bits and pieces at that.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shell52486 - 08-16-2012

[quote='MikeyA' pid='278621' dateline='1345144544']
Yes, Sam and Cameo were both there. The cigarette was not planted, there was no party there, and their DNA did not get on it by some other method. Their lack of an alibi and their refusal to talk is the reason why Sam is in jail and why Cameo should be.

You can think what you want but you don't have any evidence proving cameo was there. Just bc his DNA was on that cigarette don't mean anything. Your DNA can transfer by just taking the cigarette out of the pack. And cameos phone records are enough of n alibi. And no I'm not retarded to think that I have lived with cameo for 8 yrs and not one time did he leave his phone at home when he left. So stop stating that you know something if you don't have reliable evidence to back it up. As for tw you say you only believe things she says. Well she lied on the stand numerous times, and to the investigators and knowing that you believe some things she says. The only thing she didn't lie about was if she knew the defendants.

I do believe AC and Maytee both had something else to do with it as well. The only one that I really believe anything from is TW but it's only

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - MikeyA - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 04:02 PM)shell52486 Wrote: [quote='MikeyA' pid='278621' dateline='1345144544']
Yes, Sam and Cameo were both there. The cigarette was not planted, there was no party there, and their DNA did not get on it by some other method. Their lack of an alibi and their refusal to talk is the reason why Sam is in jail and why Cameo should be.

You can think what you want but you don't have any evidence proving cameo was there. Just bc his DNA was on that cigarette don't mean anything. Your DNA can transfer by just taking the cigarette out of the pack. And cameos phone records are enough of n alibi. And no I'm not retarded to think that I have lived with cameo for 8 yrs and not one time did he leave his phone at home when he left. So stop stating that you know something if you don't have reliable evidence to back it up. As for tw you say you only believe things she says. Well she lied on the stand numerous times, and to the investigators and knowing that you believe some things she says. The only thing she didn't lie about was if she knew the defendants.

I do believe AC and Maytee both had something else to do with it as well. The only one that I really believe anything from is TW but it's only

Ok, what do I think is more believable. That Cameo just happened to grab a cigarette in Sam's pack, only to put it back, and THAT is the one Sam left at the scene? Or do I think that either 1) they shared a cigarette while waiting or 2) when Johnny wasn't "talking" they shared a cigarette to discuss what to do next.

And yes, it is not a stretch to think that Cameo would have either left his phone behind before going to a premeditated crime OR gave it to someone else during that time.

I could show the facts of this case to 100 people who DIDN'T live with Cameo and I'd get a 95% probability of guilty. The fact is the judge through out the other statements so other than the cigarette there was nothing else to corroborate that he was there. Sam was not as lucky to get it thrown out. That is why Sam is in jail and Cameo is free.

Your closeness to Cameo has clouded your view of the facts of the case. As you've said he COULDN'T have done this.

I didn't deny that TW lied. In fact I said I believe only some of what she says. Now if you think she had something to do with it, I'll listen. Please connect the dots for us. At this point I don't see anything that points to her being anything other than an idiot.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 08-16-2012

Shell52486, Has Cameo found employment yet? are you getting child support? he needs to be a real father and provide for his children, don't you agree?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 04:02 PM)shell52486 Wrote: And no I'm not retarded to think that I have lived with cameo for 8 yrs and not one time did he leave his phone at home when he left.

Thanks for the clarification.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 04:49 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Shell52486, Has Cameo found employment yet? are you getting child support? he needs to be a real father and provide for his children, don't you agree?

My strong guess is Cameo is back with the mother of his children #2 - #4. Babimomma #1 had no good things to say about him, and babimomma #5 hooked up with another eastside thug. Maybe Cameo Pettaway will be a stay at home dad so that momma can go out and bring home the bacon. Wondering if he shares his truck, now?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 05:03 PM)Adub Wrote:
(08-16-2012, 04:49 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Shell52486, Has Cameo found employment yet? are you getting child support? he needs to be a real father and provide for his children, don't you agree?

My strong guess is Cameo is back with the mother of his children #2 - #4. Babimomma #1 had no good things to say about him, and babimomma #5 hooked up with another eastside thug. Maybe Cameo Pettaway will be a stay at home dad so that momma can go out and bring home the bacon. Wondering if he shares his truck, now?

Bass Ass Grin

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Nina - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 04:02 PM)shell52486 Wrote: And no I'm not retarded to think that I have lived with cameo for 8 yrs

Shell,
I have a few questions for you, since you know Cameo so well. I got most of this information from an article in the Toledo Blade, you can see it here : http://mockforums.net/thread-4892-page-6.html - Post 76

He's the father of five children all under the age of 8. - Do you think that mentally retarded people should procreate? Do you think it is irresponsible for them to have children?

The boy she loved — who had never laid a hand on her — became violent. He would allegedly slap her, choke her, pull her hair. Bite, push. The woman said contact with Mr. Pettaway has been sparse for years and she does not allow her daughter to be alone with Mr. Pettaway. - Do you think that Cameo assaulted her because he is mentally retarded or because he is a violent person? Is he too retarded to care for his daughter alone or do you think the mother fears what he might do to her?

Reports also show that Mr. Pettaway has been accused of assaulting at least five people. - Would you say that in Cameo's "culture", the 5 people actually reporting him of assault are a small fraction of the ones he has assaulted or harmed? Or do you think that all 5 of these people are lying since Cameo is such a great guy and all?

Mr. Williams' older sister, Nora Aliemenious, told Toledo police that she was having "ongoing problems" with Mr. Williams and that he said he would come in and "blow her head off and her [17]-year-old son's head off," - Mr. Williams has also been accused of multiple other crimes including running a prostitution operation. Cameo may be too retarded to know better, but why would YOU associate with someone like that?


I am just curious what someone that knows them so well thinks. Personally I think they are both guilty but, quite frankly, I wouldn't care if they were falsely accused of this particular crime. I still hope to see them either rot in jail or killed, preferably the latter so we don't have to pay for them and their crimes. People that live like this do not deserve to live in free society. And they definitely should not be procreating or influencing the lives of innocent children.

In fairness, I will go ahead and add Maytee and TW, AG, AC - the whole damn lot of them - to that list.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Mustang - 08-16-2012

I love all you fellow Mockers, but geeeeez, is it really necessary to pick on those who know Pettaway and Williams and believe they're innocent? It can't be easy to process the heinousness of the crime and picture someone you know having been involved, any more than it is for me to process Lisa being the victim.

I, for one, appreciate their presence here and look forward to their posts. They have insight that the rest of us don't, and I find it enlightening to hear the perspective of those who know the accused. They also know the other "players" that have been the subject of discussion here and may be able to bring valuable information to Mock that hasn't been disclosed before.

I believe Sam Williams is guilty, and a jury agreed. I believe Cameo Pettaway is guilty, and a judge acquitted him. (And for the record, it's not the cigarette butt DNA or Eric Yingling the snitch that make me believe this; it's Williams' own voice in the jailhouse phone call to Steven Pettaway when he thought it wouldn't be traced to him, where he clearly implicated himself AND Pettaway.)

Having said that, reasonable people can disagree. I'd rather learn what I can about those involved, that I didn't know before, than preach the virtues of good parenting to individuals who, I think we can all agree, had nothing to do with the crime. I just don't see where that fits with the purpose of this forum.

I hope these folks don't get tired of having to constantly defend themselves or their positions and stop posting here. With all of the unanswered questions surrounding this case it seems silly to potentially squander an opportunity to hear from some fresh voices that may be able to provide insight that could lead to some answers. Let's not shoot the messenger.

Oh shit! I think I just twisted my ankle getting off my high horse. Medic! Will somebody get me a damn Medic?!?!!!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Teacher - 08-16-2012

Wonderful post, Mustang. There has been way too much criticism of the posts made by those who know Cameo & Sam. Let them have their say.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - pspence - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 08:00 PM)Teacher Wrote: There has been way too much criticism of the posts made by those who know Cameo & Sam. Let them have their say.

^^^^^^^^

Do you know if Cameo is worried about a hit on him? Is he scared? how many people do you think were involved in the crime? who does sam and cameo say they think did it? How do they explain the cigerette?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - queen bitch - 08-16-2012

How does Cameo feel about being labled a retard?
Is he going back to work as a pimp/dealer?
How does he feel about Sam being found guilty while he gets his freedom?

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 07:43 PM)Mustang Wrote: I love all you fellow Mockers, but geeeeez, is it really necessary to pick on those who know Pettaway and Williams and believe they're innocent? It can't be easy to process the heinousness of the crime and picture someone you know having been involved, any more than it is for me to process Lisa being the victim.

I, for one, appreciate their presence here and look forward to their posts. They have insight that the rest of us don't, and I find it enlightening to hear the perspective of those who know the accused. They also know the other "players" that have been the subject of discussion here and may be able to bring valuable information to Mock that hasn't been disclosed before.

Harp Soapbox 34

Some Mockers do some harsh picking like MikeyA for instance 78

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - koko - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 07:43 PM)Mustang Wrote: I, for one, appreciate their presence here and look forward to their posts. They have insight that the rest of us don't, and I find it enlightening to hear the perspective of those who know the accused. They also know the other "players" that have been the subject of discussion here and may be able to bring valuable information to Mock that hasn't been disclosed before.

...

I hope these folks don't get tired of having to constantly defend themselves or their positions and stop posting here. With all of the unanswered questions surrounding this case it seems silly to potentially squander an opportunity to hear from some fresh voices that may be able to provide insight that could lead to some answers. Let's not shoot the messenger.

[Image: the_voice_of_reason_tshirt-p235490128582...1345169091]

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 08-16-2012

(08-16-2012, 07:43 PM)Mustang Wrote: I love all you fellow Mockers, but geeeeez, is it really necessary to pick on those who know Pettaway and Williams and believe they're innocent? It can't be easy to process the heinousness of the crime and picture someone you know having been involved, any more than it is for me to process Lisa being the victim.

I, for one, appreciate their presence here and look forward to their posts. They have insight that the rest of us don't, and I find it enlightening to hear the perspective of those who know the accused. They also know the other "players" that have been the subject of discussion here and may be able to bring valuable information to Mock that hasn't been disclosed before.

I believe Sam Williams is guilty, and a jury agreed. I believe Cameo Pettaway is guilty, and a judge acquitted him. (And for the record, it's not the cigarette butt DNA or Eric Yingling the snitch that make me believe this; it's Williams' own voice in the jailhouse phone call to Steven Pettaway when he thought it wouldn't be traced to him, where he clearly implicated himself AND Pettaway.)

Having said that, reasonable people can disagree. I'd rather learn what I can about those involved, that I didn't know before, than preach the virtues of good parenting to individuals who, I think we can all agree, had nothing to do with the crime. I just don't see where that fits with the purpose of this forum.

I hope these folks don't get tired of having to constantly defend themselves or their positions and stop posting here. With all of the unanswered questions surrounding this case it seems silly to potentially squander an opportunity to hear from some fresh voices that may be able to provide insight that could lead to some answers. Let's not shoot the messenger.

Oh shit! I think I just twisted my ankle getting off my high horse. Medic! Will somebody get me a damn Medic?!?!!!

Great logic Mustang. Your Mother must be proud of you.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 08-16-2012

YUP!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - YourOtherLeft - 08-16-2012

Thank you, Mustang. I wish everyone would put their energy into finding the real killers and bringing them to justice through the legal system instead of encouraging/condoning "street justice". Lately seems like a bad case of Maytee-itis has infected Mock. I am sick of people acting like a hit on Cameo solves anything - it does nothing more than make yet another Toledoan a murderer.
I know this isn't going to be popular but I am not convinced of Cameo's guilt. There are a lot of gaps that I wish would have been addressed in the trial, things I question that I wish could be answered. As for Sam, I'm not sure. Again, I am disappointed in the weakness of the case. I didn't find the phone call that convincing...I really don't know. And I feel terrible for the families and wish they could know truly who was responsible.
I wonder if LE is focusing too much on DNA testing rather than piecing together the case. What would have happened pre-DNA ? How would it be investigated? There's a way to fit the pieces together that will make a stronger case than (almost) random DNA testing with no other evidence.