(02-14-2011, 12:04 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote:

(02-14-2011, 12:01 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I urge you all to be more fair here. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO BEAT
LISA UP. My mother beat me up (usually where it did not show)
in rage. I had a little brother who would kick every time he waked
by. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO BEAT LISA UP. It could have been
she was in a hen fight. WE CAN NOT BLAME X due to rumor. Please.

(I am not placing ANY blame on anyone, but suggesting it does not
necessarily mean the bruises came from X)

Thank you for those comments. I completely agree. For all we know, JC hit Lisa? If he was "known" to punch her friend in the stomach, who knows what went on between him and LS!!

(02-15-2011, 10:42 AM)curious Wrote: Just curious, does anyone have an insight as to what the DVD that was seized as evidence might pertain to?

(02-13-2011, 10:29 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:07 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:00 PM)Adub Wrote: If this is some sort of pay-back, could it be related to DC?

Was JC known to befriend the shooters of DC?

I haven't gotten there yet. But, Tyler MaCrae, the one with the gun is tied in with VD(legacy.com), JC(RIP) 's neighbor and boyhood friend. MaCrae and Dominguez grew up together for sure, and JC(RIP) was also neighbors in the neighborhood.

What has really got me pondering all the connections is a comment from VD's homie(lol) that said "Johnny who?" in response to a comment of "RIP Johnny". He had to know who Johnny was, he was from the neighbor'hood'. Why make that comment?

They are proud of themselves, proud of their behavior. Imagine that. Morons.

(02-15-2011, 10:44 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-14-2011, 12:04 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote:

(02-14-2011, 12:01 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I urge you all to be more fair here. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO BEAT
LISA UP. My mother beat me up (usually where it did not show)
in rage. I had a little brother who would kick every time he waked
by. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO BEAT LISA UP. It could have been
she was in a hen fight. WE CAN NOT BLAME X due to rumor. Please.

(I am not placing ANY blame on anyone, but suggesting it does not
necessarily mean the bruises came from X)

Thank you for those comments. I completely agree. For all we know, JC hit Lisa? If he was "known" to punch her friend in the stomach, who knows what went on between him and LS!!

I said I would answer totally curious when we came back up so here goes.

First of all, if we aren't looking at anyone strictly by rumor then I guess that blows atleast half of what has been said about Tiffany & Maytee out of the water. ALSO I'm not blaming the ex BD for, especially murder or in the involvement in it. I simply said I do not understand why LS's parents would invite him (because the funeral was private so invitation was needed) to the funeral.

The reason why I do not understand it is because of this: If you go back to page 131 post #1834 by Jash, she looked up the ex, BD & found him in the Sylvania Municpal Courts website. Just a snippit of what was reported:

"He did have an assault charge filed in 2009.
Had to make restitution, fines, etc, and dismissed charges. He completed anger management and restitution. There was a "no contact" instigated against the victim of the assault, but it does NOT name the victim."

While the dockets do not name the victim, I am basing my opinion on this legal public document (fact) coupled with testimony from those who claim to know Lisa & her ex BD & things that happened between the 2 which included physical abuse & stalking.(possible rumor) These claims were made (if memory serves me right, because why else would there be a need to look him up) before Jash even looked up the ex so its not as if people who claim to know Lisa came in, saw Jashs post & THEN said Oh yeah BTW about that EX of hers....

These charges were from 2009, it is rumored that JC & LS had been dating for about 2 years, which would mean the beginning of their relationship was sometime in or around 2009, around the same time these charges & the no contact order was filed. The person who claimed to have worked with Lisa & saw her come into work beat the hell up, specifically asked why the ex, BD was not being investigated, not JC, although I'm not claiming that JC wasn't capable of physical violence, he just doesn't fit into the timeline for this reported incident & isn't named by the claimant. Now to say that we don't know where she got the bruises is true, the only way to know would be to witness the incident. I do think it's common for victims of DV to lie & say they bumped into walls or fell down stairs to account for their injuries too.

I'm just putting 2 & 2 together. It has been claimed/rumored/reported/testified too.... however you'd like to put it, that BD was a psycho, that he stalked her & that he beat her & then I have fact from a court docket that says he assaulted someone & had a TRO put out on him. If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral.

(02-15-2011, 10:46 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 10:42 AM)curious Wrote: Just curious, does anyone have an insight as to what the DVD that was seized as evidence might pertain to?

I didnt know there was a DVD siezed...now that is interesting how did i miss that.

(02-15-2011, 10:46 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 10:42 AM)curious Wrote: Just curious, does anyone have an insight as to what the DVD that was seized as evidence might pertain to?

I didnt know there was a DVD siezed...now that is interesting how did i miss that.

(02-15-2011, 09:32 AM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: Sorry if this has been posted, didn't see it any where.

TW's rap sheet.

Case NumberDefendantDate of BirthCharge
CRA-07-13713-0103WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986TRAFFICKING IN DRUGS SELL OR OFFER TO SELL
CRA-07-13713-0203WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRA-07-13713-0303WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986PERMITTING DRUG ABUSE amended from POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRB-08-16956-0102WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from ENDANGER CHILDREN;CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO HEALTH OR SAFTETY
CRB-08-16956-0202WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CRB-09-09136-0101WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986PETTY THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-09-09470-0101WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986UNAUTHORIZED USE OF PROPERTY;KNOWINGLY USE OR OPERATE WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER OR AUTHORIZED PERSON amended from THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-10-16129-0101WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER
TRD-04-03596-0101WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/17/1985ABILITY TO STOP IN ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE
TRD-06-00693-0101WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/17/1985MAXIMUM SPEEDS: EXCEED 60 MPH ON INTERSTATE SYSTEM
TRD-09-11377-0103WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986FAILURE TO STOP AFTER ACCIDENT ON STREET
TRD-09-11377-0203WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986LICENSE REQUIRED;DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE
TRD-09-11377-0303WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986^STARTING AND BACKING VEHICLES
TRD-10-10829-0101WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986DISPLAY OF LICENSE PLATE;WHEN EXPIRED
TRD-10-20840-0103WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986DISPLAY OF LICENSE;FAILURE TO DISPLAY LICENSE WHEN DEMAND IS PROPERLY MADE
TRD-10-20840-0203WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986TWO HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED ON VEHICLE OTHER THAN MOTORCYCLE
TRD-10-20840-0303WILLIAMS, TIFFANY09/16/1986BROKEN, CRACKED, NONTRANSPARENT GLASS

http://www.tmc-clerk.com/criminaltraffic/Default.aspx

(02-15-2011, 11:00 AM)RaisingAPrince Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 10:46 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 10:42 AM)curious Wrote: Just curious, does anyone have an insight as to what the DVD that was seized as evidence might pertain to?

I didnt know there was a DVD siezed...now that is interesting how did i miss that.

I was under the impression it was a case to a dvd that was seized, which I thought was for fingerprints.

(02-15-2011, 09:53 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 09:41 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: LOL, I went to the Justice page on FB and saw my niece's picture talking about chocolate and tequila and thought what the hell is going on, what the hell is my niece doing on this page talking like this??

Duh, the page was down so it took me to my own page, where my niece had posted!!

LOL well thanks I needed that laugh...this case is driving me nuts. I want some arrests. I want it solved. 2 youngs lifes are now lost. ...and to tell you the truth I think they both would have been productive people unlike TW...her future holds alot more kids and ex cons.

Quote:RaisingAPrince Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:01 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote:
I urge you all to be more fair here. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO BEAT
LISA UP. My mother beat me up (usually where it did not show)
in rage. I had a little brother who would kick every time he waked
by. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO BEAT LISA UP. It could have been
she was in a hen fight. WE CAN NOT BLAME X due to rumor. Please.

(I am not placing ANY blame on anyone, but suggesting it does not
necessarily mean the bruises came from X)

Thank you for those comments. I completely agree. For all we know, JC hit Lisa? If he was "known" to punch her friend in the stomach, who knows what went on between him and LS!!

I said I would answer totally curious when we came back up so here goes.

First of all, if we aren't looking at anyone strictly by rumor then I guess that blows atleast half of what has been said about Tiffany & Maytee out of the water. ALSO I'm not blaming the ex BD for, especially murder or in the involvement in it. I simply said I do not understand why LS's parents would invite him (because the funeral was private so invitation was needed) to the funeral.

The reason why I do not understand it is because of this: If you go back to page 131 post #1834 by Jash, she looked up the ex, BD & found him in the Sylvania Municpal Courts website. Just a snippit of what was reported:

"He did have an assault charge filed in 2009.
Had to make restitution, fines, etc, and dismissed charges. He completed anger management and restitution. There was a "no contact" instigated against the victim of the assault, but it does NOT name the victim."

While the dockets do not name the victim, I am basing my opinion on this legal public document (fact) coupled with testimony from those who claim to know Lisa & her ex BD & things that happened between the 2 which included physical abuse & stalking.(possible rumor) These claims were made (if memory serves me right, because why else would there be a need to look him up) before Jash even looked up the ex so its not as if people who claim to know Lisa came in, saw Jashs post & THEN said Oh yeah BTW about that EX of hers....

These charges were from 2009, it is rumored that JC & LS had been dating for about 2 years, which would mean the beginning of their relationship was sometime in or around 2009, around the same time these charges & the no contact order was filed. The person who claimed to have worked with Lisa & saw her come into work beat the hell up, specifically asked why the ex, BD was not being investigated, not JC, although I'm not claiming that JC wasn't capable of physical violence, he just doesn't fit into the timeline for this reported incident & isn't named by the claimant. Now to say that we don't know where she got the bruises is true, the only way to know would be to witness the incident. I do think it's common for victims of DV to lie & say they bumped into walls or fell down stairs to account for their injuries too.

I'm just putting 2 & 2 together. It has been claimed/rumored/reported/testified too.... however you'd like to put it, that BD was a psycho, that he stalked her & that he beat her & then I have fact from a court docket that says he assaulted someone & had a TRO put out on him. If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral

(02-15-2011, 09:58 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 09:48 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: she was awful fast at trying to put the blame at LS's feet, which I thought was just plain disgusting.

It IS disgusting and speaks volumes as to her character which is irrelevant given we all know she is a piece of work. I'm sorry her son was murdered & no doubt these past days have been a true horror for her but this woman SUCKS as a role model for her kids.

(02-15-2011, 10:50 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:29 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:07 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-13-2011, 10:00 PM)Adub Wrote: If this is some sort of pay-back, could it be related to DC?

Was JC known to befriend the shooters of DC?

I haven't gotten there yet. But, Tyler MaCrae, the one with the gun is tied in with VD(legacy.com), JC(RIP) 's neighbor and boyhood friend. MaCrae and Dominguez grew up together for sure, and JC(RIP) was also neighbors in the neighborhood.

What has really got me pondering all the connections is a comment from VD's homie(lol) that said "Johnny who?" in response to a comment of "RIP Johnny". He had to know who Johnny was, he was from the neighbor'hood'. Why make that comment?

I went to this VD's wall on FB and read what he wrote on legacy.com about him and JC being childhood friends and I also noticed he is friends with TW. I agree with that the Johnny who stuff, he went on and on about being childhood friends with JC on legacy.

He also has a link posted on his wall of a street fight in south toledo.

Here is the link to the youtube fight he posted:
LC: If you don't want this link here, please remove it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7ds6itOnbk



Then if you search Youtube with Toledo and streetfights, wow the crap that comes up is unbelievable!

(02-15-2011, 10:15 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 10:10 AM)Duchess Wrote: [quote='EastCoastKat' pid='127990' dateline='1297778479']

I have asthma and have had really severe attacks in my life, loosing your breath is just the most horrid feeling, imagine somebody standing over these kids or holding them down while they were fighting for their last breath

I have an allergy to bee stings & went into anaphylactic shock once, not being able to breathe is the scariest shit ever, I'd rather face someone holding a gun.