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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-18-2011

OMG check this out now: This is a link on the Justice For JC and LS page, I wrote the author of the article to let him know the page isn't gone but that the NUTBAG running the site, takes it down to control it!!

The title of the article is:
Why Was the Facebook Group 'Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub' Pulled from the Internet? (it's not it's backkkkkkkkkkkkkk!)

Here is the article:
http://thesop.org/story/20110218/why-was-the-facebook-group-justice-for-johnny-clarke-and-lisa-straub-pulled-from-the-internet.html

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 12:44 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: OMG check this out now: This is a link on the Justice For JC and LS page, I wrote the author of the article to let him know the page isn't gone but that the NUTBAG running the site, takes it down to control it!!

The title of the article is:
Why Was the Facebook Group 'Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub' Pulled from the Internet? (it's not it's backkkkkkkkkkkkkk!)

Here is the article:
http://thesop.org/story/20110218/why-was-the-facebook-group-justice-for-johnny-clarke-and-lisa-straub-pulled-from-the-internet.html

Unfortunately, the author of the article thinks that FB is censoring the page!!! WTF, so I emailed the author and told him it was the NUTTY Administrator!!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - HeartBreaker - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 12:23 PM)Kip Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I think it was there at one point and then removed. Here's a bit from a google search:

Authorities investigate double homicide of young man, woman in ...
Jan 31, 2011... described herself as a longtime friend of 20-year-old Lisa Straub, ... She said Lisa had left a message on her Facebook page sometime ...
www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110131/... - Cached

The cached file is no longer there. The article with that ID# is accessible but no longer contains that part of the story. I wonder if LE asked them to remove it for some reason.

KIP... thank you! i knew there had been a blade article as well! i had the link that was originally sent to me but the file was no longer there when i tried to open it (as the one you attached here). not sure if it would be LE that would have them remove it or if they possibly "expire" old online stories??? i know i read something along the lines of what i mentioned and like i said it could be NOTHING of significance but from what i thought i read originally it could also be something that adds to the timeline etc if she did indeed receive a FB message from LS "late" the night of the murder. i was just curious because i had heard nothing else about it since that first day. again... thanks!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-18-2011

NOW this is POSTED:

Also, Mystery Girl's questions and answers have been pulled because any person who has been following this page closely had a chance to read all the answers she gave.

I am certain police are aware of the site where she answered many more que...stions in vast detail and are comparing her answers given to them with the answers she provided on the Internet.

The answers she gave made sense and discredited the person who accused her of setting Johnny and Lisa up, of knowing the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open, etc.

At this point in time, we administrators have concluded, based on Mystery Girls's answers, she did everything in her power to get to the bottom of the reason for Johnny and Lisa failing to respond to her texting and calling and I doubt she is a suspect or person of interest.

Of course there still remains the possibility Mystery Girl is lying. If this is the case, I'm sure the police are capable of figuring out whether her account of her actions and alleged inaction (not calling 911 immediately) jive with the events of the evening.See More
8 minutes ago

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-18-2011

Lady Cop this is going to disappear too: Some one just posted this:
A S:
I have one question for you and I know you will probably ban me from this sight and thats ok, the mock forum site has way more information anyways. Why keep this page and act like its a big deal. The family of one of the kids has asked you ...to take this page down and plenty of friends of the victims have expressed their desire to take this page down. But yet its still on during the day. Then you steal answers from another sight and make them seem like your own. I think you really need to look in a mirror and ask yourself why you are doing this. I am not trying to put you down in anyway but I am concerned for you. Running a page that some people think by the way its titled is ran by friends or family is reckless and insensitive.See More


LOL it's already GONE withing a blink of an eye!!


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 12:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Also, Mystery Girl's questions and answers have been pulled because any person who has been following this page closely had a chance to read all the answers she gave.


She's a liar as well as a thief. In my most humble opinion of course. Smiley_emoticons_fies



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - aileen - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 12:23 PM)Kip Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I think it was there at one point and then removed. Here's a bit from a google search:

Authorities investigate double homicide of young man, woman in ...
Jan 31, 2011... described herself as a longtime friend of 20-year-old Lisa Straub, ... She said Lisa had left a message on her Facebook page sometime ...
www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110131/... - Cached

The cached file is no longer there. The article with that ID# is accessible but no longer contains that part of the story. I wonder if LE asked them to remove it for some reason.

I'm not caught up on a few pages, so forgive me if someone also commented on this, but the reason the articles are not coming up now is because the Toledo Blade reformatted their site yesterday. I don't like the new layout...I can't find anything!!


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-18-2011

Now this: Justice for JC and LS on FB:

QUIT POSTING THE LINK OR NAME OF THE SITE THAT TRASHES LISA STRAUB AND JOHNNY CLARKE!

WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT? I WILL NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO BASH JOHNNY AND LISA, OR PROVIDE LINKS OR IDENTIFYING INFORMATION TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO GO TO A SITE WHERE LIBELOUS INFORMATION ABOUT JOHNNY AND LISA IS HOSTED!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Freshbait78 - 02-18-2011

Has anyone here compiled Tiffanys answers she gave here the other night into one place/comment? So that we can compare them to the transcription of her part in the 911 call? I have them all in one document if it hasn't been done already I can post her answers all together.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-18-2011

Kat:
Also, Mystery Girl's questions and answers have been pulled because any person who has been following this page closely had a chance to read all the answers she gave.

well by that logic, i should just delete all the content here since everyone has read it. hah

the person who asked if LE reads here..i will only say this, in many instances on my crime forum, both here at at other venues over the years, principals, parties, perps , friends and POLICE do read. i know this for a fact. the internet is a great LE tool.

and this:

quote: "maybe LS uncle should have announced that police have received some calls offering information in attempts to claim the reward money" that may get one perp riled up thinking "hey i'M getting sold out for 10k...maybe i should flip for that 10k on someone else first.

Curious to what LC thinks about this...do you think it was some tactic, or information he shouldn't have brought up? "


rewards have been offered in most cases. it's not unusual the monetary amounts increase, especially since here it is private donations. both families announced that they established funds.
so it was brought up as a point of information i feel, not a "tactic".
anyone involved who has complicity isn't going to roll over for money they will never get to spend except maybe for a prison canteen. acct. ---although people have falsely confessed to crimes out of desperation for monies. (another reason details of case are kept quiet).
upshot, no reason he should not have mentioned the fund.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Red_velvet71 - 02-18-2011

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub Any of you who have READ the INFORMATION section of this page know there is an e-mail address listed.

If you have a question for me, e-mail me. Why pose a question on this which you know will get you banned?

I am trying to protect a particular person who provided an extensive amount of INFORMATION about Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub that paints a very HORRIBLE picture of them and TAINTS their memory.

QUIT POSTING THE LINK OR NAME OF THE SITE THAT TRASHES LISA STRAUB AND JOHNNY CLARKE!

WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT? I WILL NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO BASH JOHNNY AND LISA, OR PROVIDE LINKS OR IDENTIFYING INFORMATION TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO GO TO A SITE WHERE LIBELOUS INFORMATION ABOUT JOHNNY AND LISA IS HOSTED!
8 minutes ago · Like · 1 person

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - EastCoastKat - 02-18-2011

That Administrator of Justice for JC and LS on FB(and I use the term loosely) is Smiley_emoticons_stumm gagging people she needs a Bottom1 and is absolutely a Diablo

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-18-2011

whoa!! The admin at "justice for" has totally rocked the boat! Hard to believe someone would keep this shit going, wow!! I honestly thought she'd give up & shut down. She's got to be nuts! (or an attention seeker) Now I need to catch up!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Red_velvet71 - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 01:08 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: That Administrator of Justice for JC and LS on FB(and I use the term loosely) is Smiley_emoticons_stumm gagging people she needs a Bottom1 and is absolutely a Diablo

I agree.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - allieayy - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 12:28 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: this may also be insignificant but i found it interesting. there was a girl that posted to the RIP johnny site on wednesday that said "i need you here. it was supposed to be us in the future. i love u. this song describes how i feel. i'll never be the same. i lost my other half." it could be NOTHING (just an old girlfriend remembering someone important to her)... but it made me consider the possibility that LS and JC didn't have the good relationship that has been claimed by a few people. maybe he wasn't a one woman man? could meet with the possibility of a "jealousy" motive. we haven't really heard or talked about that as a possibility... was JC a "faithful" boyfriend? anyone know?

i know that girl, i met her last week actually. she referred to johnny as "her first love"
needless to say she was upset when i brought the topic up (not knowing who she was) and didnt want to talk much about it.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 12:59 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Lady Cop this is going to disappear too: Some one just posted this:
A S:
I have one question for you and I know you will probably ban me from this sight and thats ok, the mock forum site has way more information anyways. Why keep this page and act like its a big deal. The family of one of the kids has asked you ...to take this page down and plenty of friends of the victims have expressed their desire to take this page down. But yet its still on during the day. Then you steal answers from another sight and make them seem like your own. I think you really need to look in a mirror and ask yourself why you are doing this. I am not trying to put you down in anyway but I am concerned for you. Running a page that some people think by the way its titled is ran by friends or family is reckless and insensitive.See More


LOL it's already GONE withing a blink of an eye!!

well thanks to them. and that shows me the admin there is desperate. we'll just leave it up here, with attribution of course. Smiley_emoticons_biggrin
reproduced from JFJ

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ZEROSPHERES - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 01:02 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Has anyone here compiled Tiffanys answers she gave here the other night into one place/comment? So that we can compare them to the transcription of her part in the 911 call? I have them all in one document if it hasn't been done already I can post her answers all together.

YES Thank you Jash....Jash compiled a complete list here...Thanks again....

-jash - 02-16-2011 11:16 PM

Ok..I have taken all of TIFF answers and put them in chronological order. Some, I have not prefaced with the questions because I think we're all smart enough to deduce the question from her answer. I have also included the convo between tiff and miranda with Miranda posting tiff's answers before she officially joined.

If you read what I highlighted in red....the story is the same, it is just told in such a way, that it is confusing...particularly if you are also assuming what Maytee has put out there "THat johnny dropped the phone" Tiff says that is a lie, and if it is true...her story makes sense now. It's just the way it was being told. I even had to edit this post because I thought her story had changed, but it did not...does everyone see what I see now?


Tiffany Williams February 16 at 4:21pm Report
okay well i just figored out how 2 be able to post on the site last night,ive been trying to get on there i thought i was blocked.but as you ask.i'll answer any questions you and anyone else has to ask.okkay never did i say the house was ransacked.thst never came out of my mouth.that came from maytee(johnny's mother).she is the one who said i said that.just as she said i said i heard johnny drop the phone that was a lie.johnny told me he would call me back.thats why i didnt call anyone.then when a hour went by and he didnt answer him or lisa thats when i drove out there.and there was no answer.so see if everyone knew the whole story then they could judge.but maytee is making me look bad because she aint telling the truth.
Tiffany Williams February 16 at 4:50pm Report
i guess johnnys ma said she wanted the site took down because she got banned from it because she was talkin about choppin bodys up n pouring acid on them..

Tiffany Williams February 16 at 4:58pm Report
i kno and ive did as much as i could 2 do 2 help..i want the same as others ..and u kno yea those are my friends but how would u feel if u were getting the blame for ur friends death if all u were doin was tryn to help.thats all i did n now the blame is on me by every1.maytee should of told the truth about the story that was told not a lie ..but u kno wut i feel they will find out who did it and who ever blamed me can kiss my ass.i could nt even attend benefits or funerals because of this bullshit thats fuked up that shyt hurts.but theres nothing i can do.i guess jus sit back n let the cops do there job and get justice for this

O ok so u knew johnny first/longer?

Tiffany Williams February 16 at 5:14pm Report
yup

had u ever meet Johnnys mother before all this
How well did u know Johnny? How well did u know Lisa?

Tiffany Williams February 16 at 5:09pm Report
good enough...well i met lisa thru johnny..


i did not tell any 1 i was goin to lisa house.it was not a party.as i was speaking with lisa her an johnny asked did i want to come over and i said yes.we hung up and i called johnny rite back to tell him i was goin to the stor e when he got to my house jus walk in.and thats when i heard him talking to that man.

Did you conspire to rob the Straubs and have Johnny and Lisa killed for drugs

no i did not.
Hi Tiffany - a question. When you got the house, that night, did you just knock on the door, or did you try to look in the wondows? Also, if you had other transportation that night, why did you need a ride from Johnny & Lisa?

yes i did knock and also i rang the door bell for about 5 minutes.and on lisas fron door there are 2 big windows on the side of them yes i did look in i did not see them.and i did not have transportation that night.when they did not answer after a hour i woke up my friends ma n asked to use her car.

& what exactly did you hear Johnny & the man say ?

johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there.

so what about all the lights being on and the cabinets opened?

the lights were on and at the top of the stairs which the stairs are right at the front door there was a closet opened.but never did i say the house was ransacked.johnnys mother said i said that.that was a lie

When you heard the guy talking to Johnny was it in a loud threatning voice? Do you recognize his voice, or have any idea who the killers are? Also will you cell phone records verify you were where you say you were during these phone calls?

i could not hear what the other guy was sayin he sounded kinda far away but also johnny kept asking him bro who are you so he was talking over the man.i only heard 1 voice tho.yes the phone calls did verify.

Just listened to you on the 911 call and I'm curious about something.


i also told the police the exact story.he did say he would call me back.and after i left the first time i drove back and then called a friend whos boyfriend is johnnys best friend .i asked for the number she would not give it to me.she told me stay by my phone shed call me back an 20 minutes later johnnys dad called i told him what happened and told him i was driving back there did he want a ride he said yes so i turned around and picked him up thats why all the time went by.


the only people they said(the police) not to talk to is johnnys family.and thats because of the threats.no they did not tell me i could nt leave town.
no i did not hear lisa.(on the phone)
johnny said bro wut r u doing. and i could not hear what the man said.
my boyfriend was at home doing a paper for school.
no i was not going alone another one of are friends was going also.



i have no idea who murdered them.i really dont feel comfortable answering questions about them doing or being involved with drugs....thats to much info on them that i dont want to post.sorry.!
no my boyfriend does not live alone and he is also clear he took a polygraph for them and passed. i really dont know why this happened.im just as lost as the others when it comes to who did this and why.
personaly i think the lady(Maytee) is crazy.i did not kno her i met her the night of all of this.an as soon as i told her he wasnt answering the phone she said it was my fault.i set her son up. yes i think she is against me and others
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there.the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there



we were just going to shoot some pool for a lil bit.no 1 knew we were going to be there and no1 else was coming over
the reason they kept my boyfriend is because he had a warrant for fta..failure to appear for traffic tickets.

i dont htink it was a robbery i thnk it was more personal than what we all know.and ive heard alot of rumors...come on its all rumors what they saying about me .so that should tell you something
me another friend johnny and lisa yes it is the minor.and just so everyone knows he was just a friend ... he has been questioned also

it is true they used the garage door to get in the house.the garage door was closed when i got there.and when the police got there the lights were still on.and i have no idea what the intraband pants are either.
did not go to the back og the house and thats were they siad they looked in.so im not sure.and i really cant say about the mother .im confused to all this to.

yes i was there 1 other time.(Straub home)
Had he (Johnny) ever commented to you about anyone being angry at him for any reason?

yes the guy he told on that was involved with his robbery.
thank you and god bless but no johnnys family wasnt thankful they blamed me.and youre also welcome for coming and answering your questions.also.i got to go for a moment but i will return to answer some more for all of you.god bless you all



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - HeartBreaker - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 01:09 PM)allieayy Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 12:28 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: this may also be insignificant but i found it interesting. there was a girl that posted to the RIP johnny site on wednesday that said "i need you here. it was supposed to be us in the future. i love u. this song describes how i feel. i'll never be the same. i lost my other half." it could be NOTHING (just an old girlfriend remembering someone important to her)... but it made me consider the possibility that LS and JC didn't have the good relationship that has been claimed by a few people. maybe he wasn't a one woman man? could meet with the possibility of a "jealousy" motive. we haven't really heard or talked about that as a possibility... was JC a "faithful" boyfriend? anyone know?

i know that girl, i met her last week actually. she referred to johnny as "her first love"
needless to say she was upset when i brought the topic up (not knowing who she was) and didnt want to talk much about it.

that's sad : ( it sounds like she felt they might have ended up together.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 02:04 AM)shitstorm Wrote:
(02-18-2011, 01:45 AM)Jane Wrote: can't keep my eyes open any longer. I need some decent sleep!Yawn

Lightweight!

'Night, Jane. Catch ya Tom Snyder Smiley_emoticons_smile

hahah! Since reading here, the last two weeks (almost) I've not had a decent 8-9 hours sleep, which I'm accustomed to!



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - kitty1 - 02-18-2011

(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

i know exactly what u rreferring to. i will look for it