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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - netsleuth - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:28 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Lisa's Uncle, the Straub family spokesperson.Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother. I think the bottom line is that they were on speaking terms? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:28 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Lisa's Uncle, the Straub family spokesperson.Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother. I think you're probably right, OFR (onefortheroad) RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - PURPLECATS - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage thanks jane I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to know from someone else because i have seen it on other web sites that says garage RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-18-2011 a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered. i was a deputy sheriff in florida. i am no longer there, but read several florida news outlets daily for cases i am following and to keep up with what used to be my local news. and local jailbirds. so every day without fail there are at least 3 drug-related murders in one area. EVERY DAY. and they get no attention beyond the next day's news of the next night's murders. it's a big yawnfest. it's like the weather report. in florida, it's the same every day...hot as hell, and druggie murders. anything new? hurricane coming? in my forum here, and when i have been elsewhere, i have covered much worse cases. if there is a way to compare. horrible is horrible. but i tend to focus on childrens' cases a great deal. or, like this one, the truly bizarre and out of the ordinary for someone who may be jaded (me). this has captured the imagination for certain. but if they had been shot, we wouldn't still be talking about it at this point in time. that was just an unsolicited opinion. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - onefortheroad - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage Do you have a particular reason for asking this? Are you thinking that the car in the garage meant they had no plans to go out again that night? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage Do Crime Scene Photos show it in the garage or the driveway? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - onefortheroad - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:37 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered. Very true. It's the way they were killed and imagining how much terror they would have felt. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ZEROSPHERES - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:28 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Lisa's Uncle, the Straub family spokesperson.Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother. TO: onefortheroad...Can you elaborate on the reason JC and Maytee were apart for 5 yrs? Its stated in the previous threads that Maytee left and returned later. How old was JC when this took place? zero RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - netsleuth - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:37 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered. Absolutely agree. The horrific nature, and the fact that the family had to discover bodies etc. The 911 calls. lt's gripping. I feel I'm either watching the case unfold, or witnessing LE F up the investigation. I don't know which. I am a bit of a true crime buff. One of my favorite authors is John Douglass. I too am a bit jaded. But this case has kept me awake at night. Partly because it feels like justice is slipping away. I hope to goodness that's not true. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - onefortheroad - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:51 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother. I'm afraid I don't know, zero. My opinion is based on previous posts about the separation and I don't think the reason has been clarified. My sense is that he had lived with his aunt and uncle not that long ago, maybe before he went to prison, which would put him in his early teens. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage I looked at a video, just now. The one where LE is talking to reporters, at the scene, with all the yellow crime scene tape. You can see the house from a distance, but the garage must be off to a side of the home, or in the back, because it's not in the front. There is no car parked in the driveway, that you can see, anyway. If I'm not mistaken, Maytee said the car was there, so if it was in the garage, I was wondering if the garage has windows? .. You're right, I think it was TW who said the car was in the drive. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Snoopy - 02-18-2011 You think much like I do LC! From the beginning I have strongly felt this was an intended robbery- and yes, the LE have not implied that it was "random!" It is my opinion, that the phone call from the "friend" was intended to lure the victims from the home, so that it could be robbed, and that the victims crossed paths with the person (s), who were there to rob the home. My guess is that, if they were leaving the home- and taking LS's car, which was parked in the garage, the perp(s) were probably in the garage, intending to enter the home through the interior door. In my opinion, the victims were familiar with their attackers, and this is why they were killed. The comments that the victim allegedly made, while speaking to their "friend" before the phone went dead, should be taken lightly, since this person would have a self serving reason, to not speak the truth- if they played any part in this crime. While it is true that this is a horrible crime, and some have stated that the method of using trash bags to kill the victims, shows anger and hatred, the need to punish them, I am not sure I completely agree with this. My thoughts are, that it could also be a coward way to kill, kind of a hands off approach, it would seem. In crimes with extreme anger or hatred, you usually will find more violence, beaten beyond recognition- stabbed beyond what it would take to kill someone, overkill, so to speak. The marks around the neck could indicate the killer(s) did attempt to strangle the victims first. Strangulation takes a great deal of time, and strength- although it is not always portrayed this way, on t.v. and movies. Using plastic bags, accomplishes two objectives, 1) left there long enough, the victims will die, and 2) if the killer does know the victims, he does not have to see them, or see the looks on their face. If the plastic bags did not come from the home, but were brought there by the killers, it could of been to carry away stolen goods- and not necessarily for the purpose to kill. The fact that not much was taken from the home, may be due to the panic of things getting out of hand, as well as police being sent to the home for a well check- interrupted? The friend on the phone, did not contact anyone to say something may be wrong for several hours- which indeed lends to much suspicion. The lapse in time between the events that took place, and the phone calls to alert someone, would have allowed for establishing alibis, getting stories straight, cleaning up potential evidence- then coming forward as a concerned friend, might be an effort to deflect suspicion as well... One could easily say, why would I be calling for help, and worried about them, if I were involved? Of course, this is all just my take on things, and I do not pretend to be an expert, nor do I imply, there are no other options. It is just the feeling I get, from what information has been released thus far. This "friend' may not be involved at all, and if I am wrong about that, I will be the first to say so, but something does not sit right with it all, in my opinion. And I agree with you again LC, that I think the Police have a good idea of what took place and who is involved, and they are collecting evidence -awaiting results on evidence, before moving forward with an arrest. That arrest, could not come a day too soon! And its just a guess, but I think there are at least 2 people involved, probably 3, and one will roll on the others (thinking 2 involved in the break in, but at least 1 other, in setting it up- and this is just a guess!) This was a senseless and terrible crime- May justice come soon!!! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 02-18-2011 Manager at TGI Fridays said donations would take place 24th, 25th & 26th February. http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Couples-murder-reward-upped-to--10-000-dollars Interesting comment below the article. Some extra days - very nice. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Jane - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:37 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered. I agree. Had they been shot, I wouldn't be here, discussing it. Bags over the head, just blew me away. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 08:03 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage See the right front of the house? That is the side of the garage and cars enter to the left of the side, otherwise, one would have to make a u, pass the front door, to get into the garage. It is a nice way to include a garage but make the entire house look larger. If you go on google maps and get close, you can see. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-18-2011 welcome Snoopy, excellent first post~~ and not because you agreed with me. hahaha well thought-out and stated. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 02:04 AM)jash Wrote:bet jc said hey tiff were just walkin in the door. lisa probably went first and deactivated the alarm. i too believe they walked in right after them. when the alarm is set and you enter you have 45 seconds to punch in the code.Quote:kitty1 Wrote: RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - catch22 - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 08:03 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage i thought the "car in the driveway" was TW's car that maytee had "blocked in" (i guess so she couldn't get away?) in one of the 911 calls. i think i remember someone saying that lisa's car was "there", but not definitively that it was either in the garage or driveway. i might be misremembering, though.... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - netsleuth - 02-18-2011 Well stated Snoopy. I can't think of a think I disagree with. As LC said, your summary is very well thought out. And I agree with you again LC, that I think the Police have a good idea of what took place and who is involved, and they are collecting evidence -awaiting results on evidence, before moving forward with an arrest. I hope this part is true. How long does it generally take to process forensics etc? Snoopy your point about attempting strangulation prior to placing bags over the heads, makes a great deal of sense when one considers the pants around Lisa's neck. |