(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:28 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Lisa's Uncle, the Straub family spokesperson.

Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother.

If you check the Court Activity, Johnny requests NOT to live with
his mother and it is granted. There has to be a logical reason for
the court to do that. Are court files available for view?

I remember this being touched on, but forgot about it. It was part of his parole, right? Where he was going to live.

I think the bottom line is that they were on speaking terms?

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:28 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Lisa's Uncle, the Straub family spokesperson.

Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother.

If you check the Court Activity, Johnny requests NOT to live with
his mother and it is granted. There has to be a logical reason for
the court to do that. Are court files available for view?

If true, it doesn't mean they didn't speak. In fact, they don't look estranged in fairly recent photos. Here are but a few that have been posted on his memorial page.

In these photos, it looks to me as if Maytee was trying to keep Johnny close, more like a friend than a mother. Maybe she was trying to make up for the years that they were apart, or couldn't relate the same way to Johnny the man as she had to Johnny the boy. And maybe he wanted more of an arm's length relationship with her that wouldn't be possible while they lived under the same roof.

I think you're probably right, OFR (onefortheroad)

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

thanks jane
I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to
know from someone else because i have seen it on other
web sites that says garage

a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered.
i was a deputy sheriff in florida. i am no longer there, but read several florida news outlets daily for cases i am following and to keep up with what used to be my local news. and local jailbirds.

so every day without fail there are at least 3 drug-related murders in one area. EVERY DAY. and they get no attention beyond the next day's news of the next night's murders. it's a big yawnfest. it's like the weather report. in florida, it's the same every day...hot as hell, and druggie murders. anything new? hurricane coming?
in my forum here, and when i have been elsewhere, i have covered much worse cases. if there is a way to compare. horrible is horrible. but i tend to focus on childrens' cases a great deal.
or, like this one, the truly bizarre and out of the ordinary for someone who may be jaded (me).
this has captured the imagination for certain. but if they had been shot, we wouldn't still be talking about it at this point in time.
that was just an unsolicited opinion.

(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

thanks jane
I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to
know from someone else because i have seen it on other
web sites that says garage

Do you have a particular reason for asking this? Are you thinking that the car in the garage meant they had no plans to go out again that night?

(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

thanks jane
I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to
know from someone else because i have seen it on other
web sites that says garage

Do Crime Scene Photos show it in the garage or the driveway?

(02-18-2011, 07:37 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered.
i was a deputy sheriff in florida. i am no longer there, but read several florida news outlets daily for cases i am following and to keep up with what used to be my local news. and local jailbirds.

so every day without fail there are at least 3 drug-related murders in one area. EVERY DAY. and they get no attention beyond the next day's news of the next night's murders. it's a big yawnfest. it's like the weather report. in florida, it's the same every day...hot as hell, and druggie murders. anything new? hurricane coming?
in my forum here, and when i have been elsewhere, i have covered much worse cases. if there is a way to compare. horrible is horrible. but i tend to focus on childrens' cases a great deal.
or, like this one, the truly bizarre and out of the ordinary for someone who may be jaded (me).
this has captured the imagination for certain. but if they had been shot, we wouldn't still be talking about it at this point in time.
that was just an unsolicited opinion.

Very true. It's the way they were killed and imagining how much terror they would have felt.

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:28 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Lisa's Uncle, the Straub family spokesperson.

Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother.

If you check the Court Activity, Johnny requests NOT to live with
his mother and it is granted. There has to be a logical reason for
the court to do that. Are court files available for view?

If true, it doesn't mean they didn't speak. In fact, they don't look estranged in fairly recent photos. Here are but a few that have been posted on his memorial page.

In these photos, it looks to me as if Maytee was trying to keep Johnny close, more like a friend than a mother. Maybe she was trying to make up for the years that they were apart, or couldn't relate the same way to Johnny the man as she had to Johnny the boy. And maybe he wanted more of an arm's length relationship with her that wouldn't be possible while they lived under the same roof.

TO: onefortheroad...Can you elaborate on the reason JC and Maytee were apart for 5 yrs? Its stated in the previous threads that Maytee left and returned later. How old was JC when this took place?

zero

(02-18-2011, 07:37 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered.
i was a deputy sheriff in florida. i am no longer there, but read several florida news outlets daily for cases i am following and to keep up with what used to be my local news. and local jailbirds.

so every day without fail there are at least 3 drug-related murders in one area. EVERY DAY. and they get no attention beyond the next day's news of the next night's murders. it's a big yawnfest. it's like the weather report. in florida, it's the same every day...hot as hell, and druggie murders. anything new? hurricane coming?
in my forum here, and when i have been elsewhere, i have covered much worse cases. if there is a way to compare. horrible is horrible. but i tend to focus on childrens' cases a great deal.
or, like this one, the truly bizarre and out of the ordinary for someone who may be jaded (me).
this has captured the imagination for certain. but if they had been shot, we wouldn't still be talking about it at this point in time.
that was just an unsolicited opinion.

Absolutely agree. The horrific nature, and the fact that the family had to discover bodies etc. The 911 calls. lt's gripping.

I feel I'm either watching the case unfold, or witnessing LE F up the investigation. I don't know which.

I am a bit of a true crime buff. One of my favorite authors is John Douglass. I too am a bit jaded. But this case has kept me awake at night. Partly because it feels like justice is slipping away. I hope to goodness that's not true.

(02-18-2011, 07:51 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:00 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 06:32 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Got a quote? Or, a link? I believe he said JC lived there because the family wanted to help him get on track? Not, he doesn't speak to his Mother.

If you check the Court Activity, Johnny requests NOT to live with
his mother and it is granted. There has to be a logical reason for
the court to do that. Are court files available for view?

If true, it doesn't mean they didn't speak. In fact, they don't look estranged in fairly recent photos. Here are but a few that have been posted on his memorial page.

In these photos, it looks to me as if Maytee was trying to keep Johnny close, more like a friend than a mother. Maybe she was trying to make up for the years that they were apart, or couldn't relate the same way to Johnny the man as she had to Johnny the boy. And maybe he wanted more of an arm's length relationship with her that wouldn't be possible while they lived under the same roof.

TO: onefortheroad...Can you elaborate on the reason JC and Maytee were apart for 5 yrs? Its stated in the previous threads that Maytee left and returned later. How old was JC when this took place?

zero

I'm afraid I don't know, zero. My opinion is based on previous posts about the separation and I don't think the reason has been clarified. My sense is that he had lived with his aunt and uncle not that long ago, maybe before he went to prison, which would put him in his early teens.

(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

thanks jane
I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to
know from someone else because i have seen it on other
web sites that says garage

I looked at a video, just now. The one where LE is talking to reporters, at the scene, with all the yellow crime scene tape. You can see the house from a distance, but the garage must be off to a side of the home, or in the back, because it's not in the front. There is no car parked in the driveway, that you can see, anyway. If I'm not mistaken, Maytee said the car was there, so if it was in the garage, I was wondering if the garage has windows? .. You're right, I think it was TW who said the car was in the drive.

You think much like I do LC! From the beginning I have strongly felt this was an intended robbery- and yes, the LE have not implied that it was "random!"
It is my opinion, that the phone call from the "friend" was intended to lure the victims from the home, so that it could be robbed, and that the victims crossed paths with the person (s), who were there to rob the home.

My guess is that, if they were leaving the home- and taking LS's car, which was parked in the garage, the perp(s) were probably in the garage, intending to enter the home through the interior door.

In my opinion, the victims were familiar with their attackers, and this is why they were killed.
The comments that the victim allegedly made, while speaking to their "friend" before the phone went dead, should be taken lightly, since this person would have a self serving reason, to not speak the truth- if they played any part in this crime.

While it is true that this is a horrible crime, and some have stated that the method of using trash bags to kill the victims, shows anger and hatred, the need to punish them, I am not sure I completely agree with this.
My thoughts are, that it could also be a coward way to kill, kind of a hands off approach, it would seem.
In crimes with extreme anger or hatred, you usually will find more violence, beaten beyond recognition- stabbed beyond what it would take to kill someone, overkill, so to speak.

The marks around the neck could indicate the killer(s) did attempt to strangle the victims first.
Strangulation takes a great deal of time, and strength- although it is not always portrayed this way, on t.v. and movies.
Using plastic bags, accomplishes two objectives, 1) left there long enough, the victims will die, and 2) if the killer does know the victims, he does not have to see them, or see the looks on their face.
If the plastic bags did not come from the home, but were brought there by the killers, it could of been to carry away stolen goods- and not necessarily for the purpose to kill.

The fact that not much was taken from the home, may be due to the panic of things getting out of hand, as well as police being sent to the home for a well check- interrupted?

The friend on the phone, did not contact anyone to say something may be wrong for several hours- which indeed lends to much suspicion.
The lapse in time between the events that took place, and the phone calls to alert someone, would have allowed for establishing alibis, getting stories straight, cleaning up potential evidence- then coming forward as a concerned friend, might be an effort to deflect suspicion as well... One could easily say, why would I be calling for help, and worried about them, if I were involved?

Of course, this is all just my take on things, and I do not pretend to be an expert, nor do I imply, there are no other options. It is just the feeling I get, from what information has been released thus far.
This "friend' may not be involved at all, and if I am wrong about that, I will be the first to say so, but something does not sit right with it all, in my opinion.

And I agree with you again LC, that I think the Police have a good idea of what took place and who is involved, and they are collecting evidence -awaiting results on evidence, before moving forward with an arrest.
That arrest, could not come a day too soon!

And its just a guess, but I think there are at least 2 people involved, probably 3, and one will roll on the others (thinking 2 involved in the break in, but at least 1 other, in setting it up- and this is just a guess!)

This was a senseless and terrible crime- May justice come soon!!!

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Interesting comment below the article.

Some extra days - very nice.

(02-18-2011, 07:37 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a random observation. appropos of nothing except the inordinate amount of attention this case has garnered.
i was a deputy sheriff in florida. i am no longer there, but read several florida news outlets daily for cases i am following and to keep up with what used to be my local news. and local jailbirds.

so every day without fail there are at least 3 drug-related murders in one area. EVERY DAY. and they get no attention beyond the next day's news of the next night's murders. it's a big yawnfest. it's like the weather report. in florida, it's the same every day...hot as hell, and druggie murders. anything new? hurricane coming?
in my forum here, and when i have been elsewhere, i have covered much worse cases. if there is a way to compare. horrible is horrible. but i tend to focus on childrens' cases a great deal.
or, like this one, the truly bizarre and out of the ordinary for someone who may be jaded (me).
this has captured the imagination for certain. but if they had been shot, we wouldn't still be talking about it at this point in time.
that was just an unsolicited opinion.

I agree. Had they been shot, I wouldn't be here, discussing it. Bags over the head, just blew me away.

(02-18-2011, 08:03 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

thanks jane
I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to
know from someone else because i have seen it on other
web sites that says garage

I looked at a video, just now. The one where LE is talking to reporters, at the scene, with all the yellow crime scene tape. You can see the house from a distance, but the garage must be off to a side of the home, or in the back, because it's not in the front. There is no car parked in the driveway, that you can see, anyway. If I'm not mistaken, Maytee said the car was there, so if it was in the garage, I was wondering if the garage has windows? .. You're right, I think it was TW who said the car was in the drive.

See the right front of the house? That is the side of the garage and
cars enter to the left of the side, otherwise, one would have to make a
u, pass the front door, to get into the garage. It is a nice way to
include a garage but make the entire house look larger. If you go on
google maps and get close, you can see.

welcome Snoopy, excellent first post~~ and not because you agreed with me. hahaha

well thought-out and stated.

(02-18-2011, 02:04 AM)jash Wrote:

Quote:kitty1 Wrote:
(Today 12:00 AM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:53 PM)Jane Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:50 PM)kfran Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:46 PM)shitstorm Wrote:
No. Nothing has been confirmed beyond what was released right at the beginning. Cause of death - asphyxiation.

So we don't know for sure if LS died from the plastic bag over her head. It could have been that she was choked to death, possibly using the pants.

the coroner stated death by asphyixiation (sp?)

Jane, yes that is what the coroner stated. But asphyxiation is lack of oxygen, it can be from smothering or choking or strangulation. I'm trying to find a reason for the damn pants being under her head.

she was found with only her work pants on. i think that she was planning on changing into those pants to go out when she heard commotion and ran out to see what was going on.

makes sense to me.

We have to put several things to rest and not keep bringing up things that are false.

Death was due to asphyxiation due to bags over head per coroner. If she was strangled, death would have been asphyxiation due to strangulation of something like that. Strangulation would have ligature marks, bruising around throat, or the telltale hyoid bone being broken. Coroner definitely said she was asphyxiationwith bag, which could be used interchangeably with the work smothered.

Lisa's uncle has stated bluntly that Lisa was still wearing her uniform. he did not say just her pants. Or that her top was off. Her uniform consisted of a TGIF polo (I think they are red and black here, or red or black striped. Pants are black I believe. Lisa's uncle made a point of saying that she was still wearing her uniform and that's why he thinks they were killed shortly after arriving home cuz she didn't have time to change out of it. He didn't say she was in the process of changing, he said she was wearing her uniform..not half her uniform. I think we can take that as fact and stop all this supposition that MAYTEE brought into the mix by saying she didn't have a top on. Her uncle (who would know) says she was clothed.

personally, I think the guys walked right in behind them when they got home...or were already in the house waiting.

bet jc said hey tiff were just walkin in the door. lisa probably went first and deactivated the alarm. i too believe they walked in right after them. when the alarm is set and you enter you have 45 seconds to punch in the code.

(02-18-2011, 08:03 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:33 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:21 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 07:19 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote: Lisa's car was in the garage
then i see it was in the driveway
i have to go with the garage
anyone know for sure?

The only thing I've heard, is the car was in the driveway.

thanks jane
I saw that but that was Tiff that said that i would like to
know from someone else because i have seen it on other
web sites that says garage

I looked at a video, just now. The one where LE is talking to reporters, at the scene, with all the yellow crime scene tape. You can see the house from a distance, but the garage must be off to a side of the home, or in the back, because it's not in the front. There is no car parked in the driveway, that you can see, anyway. If I'm not mistaken, Maytee said the car was there, so if it was in the garage, I was wondering if the garage has windows? .. You're right, I think it was TW who said the car was in the drive.

i thought the "car in the driveway" was TW's car that maytee had "blocked in" (i guess so she couldn't get away?) in one of the 911 calls. i think i remember someone saying that lisa's car was "there", but not definitively that it was either in the garage or driveway. i might be misremembering, though....

Well stated Snoopy. I can't think of a think I disagree with. As LC said, your summary is very well thought out.

And I agree with you again LC, that I think the Police have a good idea of what took place and who is involved, and they are collecting evidence -awaiting results on evidence, before moving forward with an arrest.

I hope this part is true. How long does it generally take to process forensics etc?

Snoopy your point about attempting strangulation prior to placing bags over the heads, makes a great deal of sense when one considers the pants around Lisa's neck.