(02-21-2011, 09:16 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i know Duchess will pray i get my arse back here.
hahahahaha

(02-21-2011, 10:02 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: Sorry, I have tried reading all but it's very long and sometimes skimming through things are forgotten ! ... I don't want to offend so I will not post again ! Again.. Sorry !

(02-21-2011, 10:02 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: I don't want to offend so I will not post again ! Again.. Sorry !

(02-21-2011, 10:08 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i am armed with cigarettes

(02-21-2011, 09:55 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: I'm new to this as well ( hoping I'm doing this right ) . I too have been lurking for a few days , trying to keep up... and I must admit that isn't an easy task ! This is such a dramatic situation , and there are so many opinions and theories !
In saying that I want to just add a little bit of food for thought !

1. I have to wonder if Maytee knew of the " key " in the box to enter the home ... Why did John Sr. kick the door in ? Why not on teh 1^st round just get the key and go in ?

2. There has been speculation that Johnny said " We're walking out the door " ... I find it hard to believe that they were right that second walkiing out if Lisa still hadn't changed her clothes !! In saying that , it would be less of a fact that he was " walking out the door " and the intruders pushed him back in and thats how / when they entered !

(02-21-2011, 09:59 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:55 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: I'm new to this as well ( hoping I'm doing this right ) . I too have been lurking for a few days , trying to keep up... and I must admit that isn't an easy task ! This is such a dramatic situation , and there are so many opinions and theories !
In saying that I want to just add a little bit of food for thought !

1. I have to wonder if Maytee knew of the " key " in the box to enter the home ... Why did John Sr. kick the door in ? Why not on teh 1^st round just get the key and go in ?

2. There has been speculation that Johnny said " We're walking out the door " ... I find it hard to believe that they were right that second walkiing out if Lisa still hadn't changed her clothes !! In saying that , it would be less of a fact that he was " walking out the door " and the intruders pushed him back in and thats how / when they entered !

Read this thread from the beginning. Your 2 questions have already been discussed in length.

(02-21-2011, 10:08 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i am armed with cigarettes, fed the dog sled team, and have my tea in hand.

let the games begin! :B

(02-21-2011, 10:17 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i think the key under Lisa was to the alarm system box.

(02-21-2011, 09:54 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:51 AM)cjcisneros Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:39 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:32 AM)curious Wrote: Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

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and the reference to the tongue being cut out
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

(02-21-2011, 10:24 AM)notsure Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:54 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:51 AM)cjcisneros Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:39 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:32 AM)curious Wrote: Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

-

and the reference to the tongue being cut out
-

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

sorry, i was a few pages behind. btw, take it easy, they aren't giving daytime emmys here. with my question about the time she got off work. After reading further it still hasn't been established by anyone who knew lisa what time she got off work. I want emperical evidence showing what time she got off work. its very important to 1^st establish a true timeline of events. not guesses, but someone who she works with say she got in the car with Mr. Clarke at 10:06 pm. we all know what that establishes with tiff's 11:00 call then. (of course unknown's comment about the lights on 1^st time cops come, off the 2^nd throws a wrench)

(02-21-2011, 10:25 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

(02-21-2011, 10:25 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

(02-21-2011, 10:33 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 10:25 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

I should clarify that an expunged charge is still accessable to law enforcement, prosecutors and courts. It CAN be brought up in a future case with regard to sentencing or character. Average people, such as employers cannot access the record therefore, you can legally answer that you have no record.