(02-21-2011, 09:16 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i know Duchess will pray i get my arse back here.
hahahahaha

*nods head VIGOROUSLY!*

Sorry, I have tried reading all but it's very long and sometimes skimming through things are forgotten ! ... I don't want to offend so I will not post again ! Again.. Sorry !

OMG People! I obviously need a break, as LadyCop said, if we don't get new news soon, "we will start devouring our young."

(02-21-2011, 10:02 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: Sorry, I have tried reading all but it's very long and sometimes skimming through things are forgotten ! ... I don't want to offend so I will not post again ! Again.. Sorry !

welcome, and of course you should post!

we only ask people join knowing a few basic facts of the case.

(02-21-2011, 10:02 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: I don't want to offend so I will not post again ! Again.. Sorry !

Of course you should post! People are becoming frustrated & impatient with the lack of news, try not to take it personally.

ok i am armed with cigarettes, fed the dog sled team, and have my tea in hand.

let the games begin! :B

(02-21-2011, 10:08 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i am armed with cigarettes

(02-21-2011, 09:55 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: I'm new to this as well ( hoping I'm doing this right ) . I too have been lurking for a few days , trying to keep up... and I must admit that isn't an easy task ! This is such a dramatic situation , and there are so many opinions and theories !
In saying that I want to just add a little bit of food for thought !

1. I have to wonder if Maytee knew of the " key " in the box to enter the home ... Why did John Sr. kick the door in ? Why not on teh 1^st round just get the key and go in ?

2. There has been speculation that Johnny said " We're walking out the door " ... I find it hard to believe that they were right that second walkiing out if Lisa still hadn't changed her clothes !! In saying that , it would be less of a fact that he was " walking out the door " and the intruders pushed him back in and thats how / when they entered !

just concerned... of course you should still post. BUT seeing as there hasn't been any new information out on the case, some topics have been hashed and rehashed several times. seeing that things are slow... it might be a perfect chance for you to do some "light reading" haha. part of the reason this thread is getting longer and longer is because as new people join they ask the same questions or bring up the same points that have already been discussed. briefly:
the key... it is believed it was kept in the garage and the garage door was closed when they arrived at the scene.
"walking out the door" many possibilities have been discussed 1 tiff's not being truthful about her story. 2 a lot of people say they're "walking out the door" even if they know they might not actually walk out the door for 5 more minutes. etc... please do some reading though to avoid asking more of the same...

Thank you LC

I live in Holland " Springfield twp " , and it's very scary ! In my heart I don't believe it was a random act , but by no means will I put any guard down ! No matter how hard we rack our brains we will never know until the arrest (s) have been made and or someone spills their guts !
It takes a pretty heartless person to commit such a crime, and anyone that is affiliated with these types of people have to be just as cold-hearted ! JMO

i think the key under Lisa was to the alarm system box.

(02-21-2011, 09:59 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:55 AM)JustConcerned Wrote: I'm new to this as well ( hoping I'm doing this right ) . I too have been lurking for a few days , trying to keep up... and I must admit that isn't an easy task ! This is such a dramatic situation , and there are so many opinions and theories !
In saying that I want to just add a little bit of food for thought !

1. I have to wonder if Maytee knew of the " key " in the box to enter the home ... Why did John Sr. kick the door in ? Why not on teh 1^st round just get the key and go in ?

2. There has been speculation that Johnny said " We're walking out the door " ... I find it hard to believe that they were right that second walkiing out if Lisa still hadn't changed her clothes !! In saying that , it would be less of a fact that he was " walking out the door " and the intruders pushed him back in and thats how / when they entered !

Read this thread from the beginning. Your 2 questions have already been discussed in length.

So the only thing that makes sense to me is that the car was in the garage, Johnny walks out of the house and into the garage, hits the remote on the garage door, and the bad guys enter the garage before JC gets in the car. Probably with guns. Lisa was probably going to hang out @ home and change while JC went to pick up Tiffany.

(02-21-2011, 10:08 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: ok i am armed with cigarettes, fed the dog sled team, and have my tea in hand.

let the games begin! :B

Haha, Love your attitude LC.

(02-21-2011, 10:17 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i think the key under Lisa was to the alarm system box.

i think JC was referring to the key that maytee mentioned in her JVM interview... the one kept in the garage to enter the house. not #544 that we're speculating goes to the alarm box.

(02-21-2011, 09:54 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:51 AM)cjcisneros Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:39 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:32 AM)curious Wrote: Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

-

and the reference to the tongue being cut out
-

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

sorry, i was a few pages behind. btw, take it easy, they aren't giving daytime emmys here. with my question about the time she got off work. After reading further it still hasn't been established by anyone who knew lisa what time she got off work. I want emperical evidence showing what time she got off work. its very important to 1^st establish a true timeline of events. not guesses, but someone who she works with say she got in the car with Mr. Clarke at 10:06 pm. we all know what that establishes with tiff's 11:00 call then. (of course unknown's comment about the lights on 1^st time cops come, off the 2^nd throws a wrench)

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

(02-21-2011, 10:24 AM)notsure Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:54 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:51 AM)cjcisneros Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:39 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:32 AM)curious Wrote: Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

-

and the reference to the tongue being cut out
-

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

sorry, i was a few pages behind. btw, take it easy, they aren't giving daytime emmys here. with my question about the time she got off work. After reading further it still hasn't been established by anyone who knew lisa what time she got off work. I want emperical evidence showing what time she got off work. its very important to 1^st establish a true timeline of events. not guesses, but someone who she works with say she got in the car with Mr. Clarke at 10:06 pm. we all know what that establishes with tiff's 11:00 call then. (of course unknown's comment about the lights on 1^st time cops come, off the 2^nd throws a wrench)

well... i don't think that they're going to let mock in on the empirical evidence so we've been working from what people that are close to the victim have speculated here. we've been working off a sometime between 10 and 11 time-frame. seeing that most restaurants use a digital system to clock in and out and place orders... i'm sure the police know what time she finished her shift.

(02-21-2011, 10:25 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

I should clarify that an expunged charge is still accessable to law enforcement, prosecutors and courts. It CAN be brought up in a future case with regard to sentencing or character. Average people, such as employers cannot access the record therefore, you can legally answer that you have no record.

(02-21-2011, 10:25 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

Thank you for answering my question!

I just got home from work (third shifter) after having stewed about this case all night. I was coming up the driveway so fast that the car slid and an entire cup of coffee flew into the console. Crap!

Can someone give up information in exchange for an expungement? Do the charges truly disappear forever? If so, are old charges invisible even to LE?

(02-21-2011, 10:33 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 10:25 AM)jenjen Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 07:01 PM)esbee Wrote: Still working on my own opinion of what happened. A quick question...does anyone know if someone's record continues to reflect arrests if the case has been expunged? Are records typically expunged in the when there has been a deal made with LE?

An expungement motion needs to be filed with the court, it is then ruled on by the appointed Judge. If the expungement is granted NOTHING will show regarding that specific case.

There is no automatic expungement, such as when a plea is made. Sometimes you will see the term "Nolle Prosequi" which means the prosecution does not have enough evidence to procede at this time. Nolle's are usually made prior to a grand jury indictment. Should more evidence become available the charge can then be re-opened on the Nolled case.

I should clarify that an expunged charge is still accessable to law enforcement, prosecutors and courts. It CAN be brought up in a future case with regard to sentencing or character. Average people, such as employers cannot access the record therefore, you can legally answer that you have no record.

Gotcha. Thank you.

So expunged records aren't visible to us via public records, right?

I guess where I'm going with this is could Maytee have a lot more criminal activity than we are viewing on her rap sheet? Could there be a kernel of truth to what some have described as her pattern of snitching?