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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Freshbait78 - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 02:51 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: If Johnny was completely trying to escape his past and begin a better life, he wouldn't be hanging out with the social elite like Tiffany, have digital scales in his girlfriend's parent's house, and he sure wouldn't let Lisa around people like Tiffany. It takes some weaning away from. I truly believe he was and perhaps these were the things he was passing on. Just like smoking, getting clean from drugs is not an overnight affair. Give him a chance. My guess is he was really doing it or Lisa's parents would not have left town. I think Tiff was Lisa's friend. Come on, there are fuck ups in all our friendship groups. Oh wait, when I belonged to the country club they all acted alike but oh, the apartments the men shared to take women, the shenanigans that went on. The happy golf and tennis pros. It's everywhere. Don't expect Johnny to turn over a new leaf and that leaf be supremely free of flaws. That is not life. [/quote] I get so confused by you Totally Curious Above you say that when you belonged to a country club Ohhhh the shenanigans that would go on there!! What with those professional golfers taking strange women back to these apartments they shared strictly for screwing :O But then ONE post up you say: Just in profession and parenting alone, Maytee Loses points to Lisa's mom. Just in profession and parenting and spousal abuse J SR loses to Lisa's dad. Just in family gatherings and holidays and physical surroundings Clarke's lose.None of this makes them bad,but a bee in their bonnet it could be. Soooo how do you gather that the Straubs are winners & the Clarkes are losers & honestly what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? How do you know for fact that Mr Straub wasn't one of those professional country club types who took strange women back to some disgusting apartment to shag? Spousal abuse? lol where is this coming from? In my time on this Earth I have learned that all types of shady shit go on behind closed doors in ALL places. Even in the burbs. It's just kept more hush hush there (Insert secret apartment here) I feel like this thread has turned into a bash Maytee & pick her every word apart, not so much because of the way she's publicly chosen to grieve but because of her record. She is wearing a scarlet letter but it's not an A... it's a C. C representing Convict. There has been nothing & I mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G released by LE reguarding Maytee. I don't know where this rumor started that she JUST filled a script of Percocet, which then snowballed into her filling a script of percocet to give to Johnny to sell, which then snowballed into her giving Johnny a script to sell but it didn't work out as planned so therefor she somehow set her son up to be robbed but then he somehow came up murdered. Please LE release if nothing else, a suspect(s) description. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Inspector Gary - 02-22-2011 I am really starting to believe that LE has this case and is just waiting to get all their I's dotted and T's crossed before making arrests. When LE needs info from the public, they will normally release a piece of information to help people jog their memory for relevant information. Such as, (made up example) "a red Jeep Cherokee was spotted in the area around 7pm. If you saw a vehicle matching this description, please call xxx-xxx-xxxx." Press releases are normally used to provide the public with selected bits of information to help with the case, or to provide updates on breaks in the case. I am beginning to think that the first presser is going to be when perps are arrested!! LE certainly isn't providing info to solicit help from the public, so I hope that this is a sign that they know who the perps are!!! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - grey sweat pants - 02-22-2011 You will never convince me that Tiffany is not involved in SOME way. I am guessing when LE finally makes and arrest she will among those arrested. I also would not be surprised if it ends up that his mom knew more then she is admitting also. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sharit - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 11:08 AM)Inspector Gary Wrote: I am really starting to believe that LE has this case and is just waiting to get all their I's dotted and T's crossed before making arrests.wasnt there a newer white van in the area or am i imagining this. thought i heard that? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Inspector Gary - 02-22-2011 Found a good link: http://lcapps.co.lucas.oh.us/ftproot/noris/upload/lcsheriff/data/lccc-bookingsummary.pdf This gives recent arrests, including photos and information. I have just started looking through it and I have found a Sharita from Toledo (don't know if she is the Sharita we have been looking for or not) and I have found at least one of Tiffany's friends arrested. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Inspector Gary - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 11:25 AM)sharit Wrote:(02-22-2011, 11:08 AM)Inspector Gary Wrote: I am really starting to believe that LE has this case and is just waiting to get all their I's dotted and T's crossed before making arrests.wasnt there a newer white van in the area or am i imagining this. thought i heard that? I have heard it mentioned (unofficially) that there was a white van in the area. Just to be clear, I just gave a MADE UP example of why I think LE is not giving any press releases. This case is driving me nuts!! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - lou1975 - 02-22-2011 [/quote] I have heard it mentioned (unofficially) that there was a white van in the area. Just to be clear, I just gave a MADE UP example of why I think LE is not giving any press releases. This case is driving me nuts!! [/quote] I cannot find any new updates, its making me crazy too. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Sean69 - 02-22-2011 There is the possibility that the case is going cold. Would like to think not, but there is a chance. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - cjcisneros - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 02:29 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: It needs to be looked at that when the intruders got into the house, they felt comfortable being in the house for a little while. great minds think alike cos I was thinking the same thing ! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - trixie - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 02:29 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: It needs to be looked at that when the intruders got into the house, they felt comfortable being in the house for a little while. I think whoever it was, was already in the house. I've been through that neighborhood, and I've read comments from neighbors of theirs that said people in that neighborhood are nosey. If they were yelling back and forth at each other outside, wouldn't someone have heard it? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Freshbait78 - 02-22-2011 I just posted a link over on the other thread I'll also post it here. This is the 1st time I've read this longer transcript from the Nancy Grace show where Jim Verbosky (sp?) Lisas uncle was on. This transcript hits on cellphone pings & also states that Lisas car was in the driveway, Hate to bring that debate back up because I thought we had it all settled that the car was in the garage but her car being in the driveway is mentioned several times. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/04/ng.01.html RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BlueTiki - 02-22-2011 The cast of upstanding citizens intertwined with Lisa and Johnny know the system and how it works. You might say that they are “Honor” students. “Do you understand the charges before you?” “Yes . . . Your HONOR.” Get ready for “Let’s Make a Deal”. Who gonna choose TW's Box? Baby daddies wanna know! Someone's gettin' the Door. "Classic Edition" [attachment=7549] "FB Racially Diverse Edition" RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 07:13 AM)Jane Wrote: I put a pot of coffee on, & have been reading like crazy. Below is the Nancy Grace transcript, for the interview with Lisa Strub's Uncle (Mr Verbosky) As of this interview, he says the Straub's have been talking to local LE & FBI, daily. He also says he "believes the car was in the driveway"... And since there were no fresh footprints in the snow, anywhere around the home, that's how they figure the perps got in, via the garage door, that leads into the home. He says the driveway was clear, & so were the roads. He even states the garage door would have been up. From that transcript, just so everyone is clear on the name: I get a phone call about a half an hour ago from his friend [i]Sherita that some girl named Tiffany called her saying that Johnny and Lisa were supposed to pick her up at 11:00...[/i] So, where is Sherita in all of the FB friends lists? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 03:42 AM)Jane Wrote:(02-21-2011, 04:37 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:(02-21-2011, 04:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:(02-21-2011, 12:40 PM)trixie Wrote: Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too! Perhaps the car was moved from the time Tiffany visited and the police arrived. (Remember - lights were on, then off.) RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 07:54 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:(02-22-2011, 04:14 AM)shitstorm Wrote:(02-21-2011, 08:56 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:(02-21-2011, 08:53 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I am bored already.i'll notify the local authorities. Uh-oh I'm gonna get chewed out. lol. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 03:53 AM)shitstorm Wrote:(02-21-2011, 06:45 PM)Duchess Wrote: If you found a family member (CHILD) in that position, would you even think of where the duct tape and bags came from? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-22-2011 Storm: I'm gonna get chewed out. lol. so what WAS there? RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 03:54 AM)toledoarea Wrote: The car being in the drive way or the garage is very important. Tiffany said she drove by after an hour and rang the door bell. Then she states that she then drove back home to see if Johnny/Lisa are at Tiffs house since they were going to pick her up in the first place. Well if she rang the door bell, certainly she would know if Lisa's car was in the drive way. And if Lisa's car is in the drive way, Tiff wouldn't have went back home to see if Johnny/lisa drove to tiff's because Lisa's car is still in the drive way with lights on in the house. Hello?? Tiffany was in on this Am I wrong here, or is the garage off to the side and back of the house? So Tiff would have to ring the front door bell and walk to the front of the house if she indeed peeked through little windows. HOWEVER, if there is a door inside the garage or on the back of the home (since it has a pool, it might have a back outside door) = which bell did she ring? How much walking around did she do? And hey - what about the two trips the four detectives made? WERE NONE OF THEM TALL ENOUGH TO LOOK IN WINDOWS:? I say "yes" and I say the KNOWLEDGE OF the 'bodies' came from someone who was in the place before any phone calls to anyone. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 12:24 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Hate to bring that debate back up because I thought we had it all settled that the car was in the garage but her car being in the driveway is mentioned several times. We all thought the car was in the garage because that's what the detective stated to God & everybody, right from the horse's mouth on channel whateverthefuck it was, now the uncle says it was in the driveway. Is there anyone connected to this story who knows where Lisa's car was? One would think that would be pretty fuckin' easy to answer. We have family & police contradicting each other. Bah RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - notsure - 02-22-2011 (02-22-2011, 10:15 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:(02-22-2011, 08:59 AM)onefortheroad Wrote:(02-22-2011, 01:02 AM)curious Wrote: DITTO...and let's not forget the fact you find it okay for your husband to catch a ride from someone you're going to accuse set your son up for murder not a half hour later....pleaaazzzzeeee Freshbait, got a question i would like your input on. I feel tiff is in a "a few good men" logic loop. As a reminder of the movie nicholson's character says the victim was in danger, and that men take matters into their own hands, then later says that no one would defy his own order to not touch the victim. Applying this to our case here we have two options: 1) If we believe tiff heard johnny yelling and fighting with someone while she was on the phone then why go over there like shes going to save the day (wonder woman?) and why wait 2 fucking hours to get some real help about it. 2) if we believe tiff heard johnny casually say "I will call you back" then why the need to panick. they arent answering phones, so what.! so your going to drive 20 minutes to see why.? maybe they just decided to do something else and didn't want to include her. They arent answering the door, again so what. they didn't go back to your house, so what. these things don't then require someone to raise the alarm and wake everyone up to go over there and kick in doors. these things alone aren't indicators of foul play. hence why cops didn't enter the residence. Everyone starts to panick b/c a call isn't answered in the middle of the night.? shit they could have just been sleeping and turned off the ringer/ phone. This goes back to my first gut reaction, someone who was trying to get help for the victims knew of a real danger, something beyond just missed phone calls, something beyond what was on the surface, to start reacting to a phone call ignored. my question is, what could that real know imminent danger be? or is it all a bs set up with fake phone calls etc. Thus the bullshit logic loop. It doesn't seem it can really be option 1 or 2. it doesn't seem to make a bit of logical sense and when you go back and forth between options 1 and 2 you realize that at some point in this narrative there is a point where the story crumbles. your thought? |