Mock
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Printable Version

+- Mock (https://mockforums.net)
+-- Forum: Serious Shit? (https://mockforums.net/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Lady Cop's Cell Block - Crime Forum (https://mockforums.net/forum-21.html)
+--- Thread: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered (/thread-4737.html)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 1174 1175 1176 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 1182 1183 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 1196 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1214 1215 1216 1217 1218 1219 1220 1221

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ivanna - 02-08-2011

Maybe Gangsta isn't the term you want to think of when you look at their pictures. Maybe Gangsta doesn't come to mind when you see the way they spell. Maybe Gangsta doesn't fit the definition when you see the hand gestures and tatoos......but it all screams Gangsta Wannabe to me.

Not splitting hairs or anything just sayin..Awink

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - IMaDick - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 10:57 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: hi and welcome all new people!Smiley_emoticons_smile
i've been away, and have to leave again. but i am trying to catch up with your comments. we had a big readership during Petit trial and Zahra case, but this has surpassed those in level of interest. thanks for being here.

someone asked me about gangs...my familiarity only extends to their tats and hand signals. there are gang units in major jurisdictions. we kept a book of all tats that we photographed to ID them as members.
a double-murder initiation? i doubt it in U.S. gangs.

Gangs have different initiations, it's hard to tell exactly what those might be, some are home invasions though those I suspect seldom extend to the point of murder, however drive by shootings are a common gang initiation in some of the larger more violent gangs.

This crime does not,at least in my opinion have a gang feeling to it.

suffocation is a very personal form of homicide, IMO they knew the assailants.





RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - LT_RN - 02-08-2011

Lisa has an older sister, not sure of location though

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - an0n - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 11:01 PM)fabulous Wrote: hey I heard a few things today...there really isn't much of a "local" rumor mill..but I heard a few things...did Lisa have a younger sister? one that possibly doesn't live locally?

No. She only has an older sister.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BoogyWoogy - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 10:36 PM)notsure Wrote: where does it say the fb message was sent at 1am. The news video on thread #4 only says yesterday. btw, Ive been reading mock for many days here and have noticed no one has mentioned the fact that it was very cold that sunday night. I can speculate that b/c of the extreme cold no one was hanging outside walking the streets looking for and waiting for a random opportunity to rob someone. I think were all in agreement this was an "inside job" in some form.

toledo on the move.watch the video, once the girl talks the the news person talks but she is in the back still talking watch her lips, the very first time it aired you heard her say at 1 am, now the news is talking over that, me and my spouse heard it now they will have something come of this , she said it and now they are taking it out watch the lips, you can see.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - fabulous - 02-08-2011

ok...just wondering...heard it through the rumor mill, and you know how that goes!



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 11:05 PM)IMaDick Wrote:
(02-08-2011, 10:57 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: hi and welcome all new people!Smiley_emoticons_smile
i've been away, and have to leave again. but i am trying to catch up with your comments. we had a big readership during Petit trial and Zahra case, but this has surpassed those in level of interest. thanks for being here.

someone asked me about gangs...my familiarity only extends to their tats and hand signals. there are gang units in major jurisdictions. we kept a book of all tats that we photographed to ID them as members.
a double-murder initiation? i doubt it in U.S. gangs.

Gangs have different initiations, it's hard to tell exactly what those might be, some are home invasions though those I suspect seldom extend to the point of murder, however drive by shootings are a common gang initiation in some of the larger more violent gangs.

This crime does not,at least in my opinion have a gang feeling to it.

suffocation is a very personal form of homicide, IMO they knew the assailants.

i've been saying that for 78 pages~ thanks for backup! Police hah 59



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 10:59 PM)jash Wrote: Tiffany says that she talked to Johnny approx. 11 PM.

Sheriff's records show at least four crews were dispatched to the scene after Mrs. Vasquez-Clarke first called 911 at 1:21 a.m. The deputies were at the scene by 1:28 a.m. and stayed approximately 11 minutes. After her second call to 911 at 2:06 a.m., two crews were dispatched and remained on scene for 36 minutes...both times finding nothing amiss. No footprints in snow, nothing. At around 4AM the last call to 911 comes in, we can maybe assume johnny's dad kicked in the door about 3:45 maybe?

so, since rigor begins in the face so to speak, and mom has said their faces didn't move (implying rigor had set in) and they were COLD,they had probably been dead at least 2 hours MINIMUM to feel really cold to the touch and even longer since rigor had set in and their faces were immovable. So I am guesstimating that they had been dead at least 3 hours by the time parents got there. I think that they actually were killed shortly after Tiff established her alibi...between 12 -1 AM. Tiff did NOT call friend until after she knew they were dead IMO,,,Tiff is the key here, she was either the lookout, making sure they were home, SOMETHING. I'm VERY interested in seeing where her pings place her during 11-1 AM on the night of the murders. Track her pings, nail her with them, and she'll start singing like a canary rolling over on everyone involved to save her own ass.

+ 1

The cell phone records will reveal a lot.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-08-2011

Then the mother needs to quit blaming LE for not going in when she
originally called.

Question - If Tiff said she went by the house several times, what was
she looking for?

Does anyone know the area well enough to know if there were any
security cameras on business establishments that may have captured
the cars going into the area? Sometimes suburbs have only one or
two ways in.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - ivanna - 02-08-2011

Didn't I read in the quotes from mother's TV appearance last night the statement she made about the family dog??? If that is truly a fact why would the killer(s) allow the family dog to live? Or was it dead as well and I missed that?

Didn't JC mom say JC and LS were supposed to pick up Ms. T and they never came and with strange call in which JC supposedly said "what do you want...."? Causing Ms T and momma to become "concerned"? If I understood this correctly how it it Ms. T suddenly has been there in a car to see the place ransacked? Ms. T also picked up JC's father to take him to LS house? HHHMMMMM why would she need a ride then?

Somebody straighten me out :B

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Countryside_Belle - 02-08-2011

Ok, regarding time of death, if they were "cold" as JC's mom describes it in the 911 call, they must have been gone for at least 2, if not 3 hours....just my opinion from dealings with recently dead folk in my profession. (Not trying to freak you out, it's reality :/ )


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - rotten_cotton - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 11:10 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote:
(02-08-2011, 10:36 PM)notsure Wrote: where does it say the fb message was sent at 1am. The news video on thread #4 only says yesterday. btw, Ive been reading mock for many days here and have noticed no one has mentioned the fact that it was very cold that sunday night. I can speculate that b/c of the extreme cold no one was hanging outside walking the streets looking for and waiting for a random opportunity to rob someone. I think were all in agreement this was an "inside job" in some form.

toledo on the move.watch the video, once the girl talks the the news person talks but she is in the back still talking watch her lips, the very first time it aired you heard her say at 1 am, now the news is talking over that, me and my spouse heard it now they will have something come of this , she said it and now they are taking it out watch the lips, you can see.

I wonder why they edited it out? And why the story with her in it has been removed from The Blade. IMO she is not involved, but may have some info that LE wants to keep quiet.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 02-08-2011

I looked up murder by suffocation/plastic bags (grisly and the last time I do THAT). Unfortunately there's a lot of info on it. One person who used that method was the BTK killer.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YrI5UKxJm-kJ:www.altereddimensions.net/crime/BTKBindTortureKill.aspx+homicide+suffocation+plastic+bag+ohio&cd=23&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com

BTW, this guy killed entire households of people ALL BY HIMSELF.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - efyou - 02-08-2011

I just want to say this place is a breath of fresh air. I love the freedom we have to post whatever. I like the WS forums but they nazi-moderate the hell out the place. I know myself and many others just get so frustrated with it that we bail out.

And now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BoogyWoogy - 02-08-2011

hi all new members perhaps read threw pages, so many things to read everyone is so helpful with the speculations but to get up to date, read threw the past pages.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - rotten_cotton - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 11:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Does anyone know the area well enough to know if there were any
security cameras on business establishments that may have captured
the cars going into the area? Sometimes suburbs have only one or
two ways in.

There is a small church and an elementary school on the road leading into the neighborhood.


RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Mommabear - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 11:15 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Then the mother needs to quit blaming LE for not going in when she
originally called.

Question - If Tiff said she went by the house several times, what was
she looking for?

Does anyone know the area well enough to know if there were any
security cameras on business establishments that may have captured
the cars going into the area? Sometimes suburbs have only one or
two ways in.

There are multiple ways in and out of that neighborhood. I doubt that there will be any security cameras.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - TotallyCurious - 02-08-2011

LC - Do police have a 'gradiation' by vocabulary for how "f&&cked up'
a house is? I notice on the internet that messy and ransacked are
considered two different things. Thus I am wondering what the LE
said about the house being disturbed.



RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - BoogyWoogy - 02-08-2011

(02-08-2011, 11:20 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote:
(02-08-2011, 11:10 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote:
(02-08-2011, 10:36 PM)notsure Wrote: where does it say the fb message was sent at 1am. The news video on thread #4 only says yesterday. btw, Ive been reading mock for many days here and have noticed no one has mentioned the fact that it was very cold that sunday night. I can speculate that b/c of the extreme cold no one was hanging outside walking the streets looking for and waiting for a random opportunity to rob someone. I think were all in agreement this was an "inside job" in some form.

toledo on the move.watch the video, once the girl talks the the news person talks but she is in the back still talking watch her lips, the very first time it aired you heard her say at 1 am, now the news is talking over that, me and my spouse heard it now they will have something come of this , she said it and now they are taking it out watch the lips, you can see.

I wonder why they edited it out? And why the story with her in it has been removed from The Blade. IMO she is not involved, but may have some info that LE wants to keep quiet.

man we have been wondering how at 1 since this all started, we think the killer or killers did that to make a false time line, watch something will come of that.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - notsure - 02-08-2011

There is a problem that I have with the ex-boyfriend theory, assuming that there is an ex with social/personality problems. First, from the pictures of Mr. Clarke, he was a strong man. One person was not going to over power him (without a criminal tool of some sort). Next, I think it would be safe to assume if this crime was commited by a psycho boyfriend it would have to have been a solo operation. I just cannot fathom a know psycho being able to recruit people for a premeditated murder b/c of his personal feeling of betrayal. If instead the recruiting was under the guise of a robbery the recruits wouldn't go along with the addition of murder. a robbery is one thing, a murder is another. Thus since a psycho ex boyfriend would have had to most likely had to work alone if he did it, and there is no way Mr. Clarke was going to be over powered by one person, the ex-boyfriend theory fails unless...

But what about if the ex had a gun? I still feel it is a stretch and the ex theory fails. going through the mechanics of the murder, the ex could have had Ms. Straub tie up Mr. Clarke's hands and feet with the tape. Then knock Ms. Straub out, tape her up and start with the bag on her. But the ex has to put the gun down at this point and Mr. Clarke is still a strong man. How the hell is the ex going to get the bag and tape around Mr. Clarke's neck, or on Ms. Straub while Mr. Clarke watches? hands and feet taped up or not he was big enough to really push anyone around and force the ex to use the gun? I just can not imagine with the gun put down and Mr. Clarke was just going to go along with it and give up.