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RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 I agree, they are not mutually exclusive at all. And I have not given up on LE. The billboards are great. No arrest, no named suspects, so the billboard does send a message. That LE wants to solve this case. If that Sherrif knows enough to say J&L instigated the crime, then I believe that LE knows a lot. I hated his word, but I don't think it was just pulled out of his ass. The same with calling it a hit. And out of the area could just mean the Straub's neighborhood. I just have to go with DCTim. The DNA is back, we just haave to wait and see. [/quote] I agree with this. I haven't given up on LE either. I think the fact that Lisa was murdered too is what will push them. If it had just been Johnny, maybe not so much just because of his back ground & I'm not saying that's right or OK. But with Lisa, that's someone they can identify with.... white, pretty, from a nice home, both parents still together.... married on a anniversary cruise, in nursing school, not much of a criminal background aside from one DUI.... they'll identify with her. You see that even here on this board. How many times have I read more sympathy for the Straubs than the Clarkes? lol You don't think the detectives are viewing this the same way? I'm sure they are & probably even more so because they see the effects of a criminal lifestyle on a daily basis & I'm sure that it hardens them. So Johnny, he's most likely viewed, like alot of people here have viewed him, as someone who played with fire & got burned. But Lisa.... she's someone who got caught up in a bad thing, she didn't belong in that social circle. In many peoples eyes, she is the real victim here. I don't agree with this, I think they both are victims. JMO [/quote]Unfortunately, the bottom line is LE seems to have reached a dead end with what information they have. It's inconceivable to think they have DNA, or any other evidence, upon which they could predicate an arrest but that they have not effected an arrest yet. I don't think they are holding back because a killer or killers is or are on the loose and are very likely to kill someone again...and bad guys don't always exclusively kill bad guys. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 12:21 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Here's my take on the security papers & safe:Johnny bragging, unfortunately, makes a lot of sense. That would indicate it's a friend or, at the outlier, an acquaintance of his. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - sealed27 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 12:56 PM)AriGold Wrote:Remember the 911 calls, at the end the dispatcher made calls to 3 detectives(03-07-2011, 12:53 PM)esbee Wrote: I couldn't find staffing details for the Lucas County Sheriff's Department. I did come across this, however: RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 12:35 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: About the comments that we all "deserve equal protection and efforts to solve crimes should NOT vary"... In a perfect world that would be the case, but the reality is that there are NOT enough resources to permit this.Make no mistake about it, LE is not there because they are kind hearted and they are not in LE for altruistic reasons. LE are paid well for what they do, very well relative to other occupations, and YOU pay their salaries and I pay their salaries. The money used to pay their salaries, benefits, disability insurances and the very generous retirement system that is common to all public employees, does not drop out of the air and land in their laps. YOU and I pay for it...not every cent of it of course, since LE personnel pay taxes also, but you and I pay the vast majority of what it takes for them to do their jobs. Just take away their pay, their disability insurances, their retirement benefits...and see how long they do what they do. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 12:41 PM)Methusala Wrote:(03-07-2011, 12:04 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: I agree with this. I haven't given up on LE either. I think the fact that Lisa was murdered too is what will push them. … with Lisa, that's someone they can identify with … they'll identify with her. … You don't think the detectives are viewing this the same way? I'm sure they are & probably even more so because they see the effects of a criminal lifestyle on a daily basis & I'm sure that it hardens them.… [/quote] We all keep referring to "Law Enforcement" and "The Detectives" and that conjures up a certain image, but I keep worrying about just what kind of depth, experience and training exists in the Lucas County Sheriff's Department to handle the investigation of a murder case. Are we picturing a big staff of trained, experienced civil service detectives, like the the Detective Bureau of the Toledo Police Department has? Or does the Det. Bureau of the Sheriff's Office consist of only 2-3 people given jobs by the Sheriff as political favors, which is the way I believe the rest of the Sheriff's staff is filled, to-wit his deputies who do traffic patrol and misdemeanors in the unincorporated areas of the county, and run the county jail? How many people does the Sheriff have in his Detective Bureau? What is their training? What is their experience in handling homicide cases? Just to what extent are they getting assistance if any from the FBI and the Toledo Police Department? We don't know the answers to these questions, and it troubles me greatly. How can we find out the answers to these questions? Would the Sheriff answers these questions or would he contend that public responses would compromise the investigation? Is there anyone on Mock who has friends on TPD or other local agencies who would know the answers to these questions? [/quote]No Sheriff is going to answer these questions. Of course the jobs are political and there is little formal training involved. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - trixie - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 01:20 PM)AriGold Wrote: Yikes! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 12:56 PM)AriGold Wrote:Well the gerbil explains a lot.(03-07-2011, 12:53 PM)esbee Wrote: I couldn't find staffing details for the Lucas County Sheriff's Department. I did come across this, however: RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 01:03 PM)Duchess Wrote:I would hope it would apply to any murder investigation she screwed up. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 01:20 PM)AriGold Wrote:Wow. She has a pretty smile. I bet she'd be a lot of fun with a great personality. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - heartbreaker6713 - 03-07-2011 One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 01:40 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:I need to put in an order for a nun like that at our church.(03-07-2011, 01:20 PM)AriGold Wrote: RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 02:29 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. Ah, very good point, heartbreaker. If Johnny was hopped up on pills or drugs, he would have been a pushover in a sense wouldn't he? How reliable do we think the blood-spattered kitchen is? If that is accurate, it would appear the blood belonged to the perp since Johnny was reported as having no injuries of that nature and Lisa's bleeding seemed to have been contained within the bag. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - curious - 03-07-2011 I wish I had enough time to respond to EVERY freakin' post...much less read them...ugh, frustrating! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - trixie - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 02:29 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. Or.. its been discussed on here before that they could have had Lisa and he dint want her to get hurt so he let them tie him up so she would be ok. RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - heartbreaker6713 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 02:36 PM)van64 Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:29 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. That is what I was wondering about the kitchen scene, if a fight or struggle broke out, wouldn't JS have some type of injuries to his knucles or defensive wounds? or something? Was it released from LE that there was a struggle in the kitchen? Who talked about there being blood in the kitchen? LE or a reliable source? if not then it just goes into the speculation column with many other things! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - notsure - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 02:50 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:36 PM)van64 Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:29 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. unknown said it RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - heartbreaker6713 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 02:43 PM)trixie Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:29 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. this is a theory too, I was just trying to offer a different view point that hadn't been offered yet and I just kept hearing everyone say that he wouldn't have gone down easy. So I just wanted to throw my two cents in on what I know personally about my pain medicine experience. I take one that kids on the street love to get their hands on. I, however, do not abuse mine! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - heartbreaker6713 - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 02:53 PM)notsure Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:50 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:36 PM)van64 Wrote:(03-07-2011, 02:29 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote: One thing I keep seeing people mention is that because of JC's size he should have been able to over come and defend himself and LS. However if He was taking pills, if this is the case he may not have been up to his normal strength. I take pain medication for a back injury and I know at times I am woozie and dizzy besides other side affects and other times I am fine depending on my level of pain that day. And that is for someone who needs them. For people who take them when they don't need them and are high that dizzy and whoozie feeling is greater. If as a possibility (and I'm just throwing this out there) he took some pills, maybe because he picked LS up from work and maybe he knew he wasn't gonna drive anymore (being a responsible driver) and she was gonna drive if they went anywhere, or he didn't care if he drove on pills, either way. If he had taken pills or any drugs he wouldn't be necessarily up to his normal strength, I would think to defend himself. Just my thinking, wouldn't JS then have some type wounds somewhere? You don't usually get into a fight or scuffle and not come out with a mark. Even when you wrestle with someone you can get blood blisters when you are rough housing. When you are fighting for your life I would think you would go all out. I just think you'd come out with some marks. Just doesn't make sense... RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 03-07-2011 (03-07-2011, 12:35 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:(03-07-2011, 11:56 AM)Methusala Wrote: My recollection is that the security system papers were found in plain view by LE. I totally agree! I just "wish" they'd talk more! I guess thats why some of us are taking it as they gave up hope! I sure as hell hope not! I mean this case is heinous and I believe thats why we are all interested in this case as well! I know we all are hoping for JUSTICE! I guess Im just in a rush for answers! =( Its just not our typical murder! RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - van64 - 03-07-2011 That is what I was wondering about the kitchen scene, if a fight or struggle broke out, wouldn't JS have some type of injuries to his knucles or defensive wounds? or something? Was it released from LE that there was a struggle in the kitchen? Who talked about there being blood in the kitchen? LE or a reliable source? if not then it just goes into the speculation column with many other things! [/quote] You would expect some rather serious wounds to Johnny that would have been received as his assailant fought him to regain control, which we know was successful. I read nothing in any of the articles last night, that indicated Johnny fought with anyone. I believe that information came from a close family source. |