Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[curiouscat]

So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

that might just be true if you're 100% willing to believe conjecture and rumours.

official word is there may have been some items knocked over, indicating a possible small struggle, and that there were no apparent markings on the bodies apart from the neck area.

"reputable source" - funny.

nobody is in custody, nobody has been labeled a person of interest. two brutal murders in a heavily populated area, yet the police have no suspects, nobody in custody, no artist's rendering of a suspect, and nobody in the area seems particularly fearful for their own lives.

johnny and lisa got killed because of what they were mixed up in. the only people that have anything to worry is others who are mixed up in the same big ball of shit, and those people went to bed every night worrying long before this unfortunate crime.

-pink

The reputable source is not "funny" it is family member of Lisa's who has that information first hand from LE. He said that the they got a lot of DNA from under her nails and witnessed just how awful and messed up the house was . LE are being extremely careful of what is being leaked, for a reason, that is how they catch lies in the interview process. But the fact, and it is a fact that a special cleaning team had to be brought in, indicates a few things weren't just overturned.

[curious]

i have some news from one of Lisa and Johnnys close friends. then again THIS IS ALL WORD OF MOUTH.

"i have a very close friend who go into some shit in high school for pushing drugs. I mean im talking lots of coke and heroin blah blah blah. well he did some time and so did one of his boys for robbery. I guess the kid who robbed people was the guy that killed johnny, thats what they are saying. Because he used to rob safes and Lisas dad has a big safe. I guess they told him that during a party. He came bak and knocked Lisa out, beat Johnny up and when they woke up they beat Lisa up in front of Johnny to torture him then beat him up. I guess the detectives have already questioned the kid so idk thats all i'm hearing so far"

COMPLETE SPECULATION/OPINION/THEORY with no factual basis:

going back to the post above and the fact JC did serve time with two others for the armed robberies in 2007, one of which is still incarsurated. So assuming there's some credence to this, it could explain the key and security documents...could they killer have found security documents (alarm) while at the pool party after hearing about the safe and entered the home when JC picked up LS from work, knowing they would come back to the house soon after, the plan was then for T (reported heroin addict) to lure them out so the robbery could occur but things went awry, i.e. couldnt find key, spotted, etc. which could explain the method/items used to carry out the killings (household items). So when JC and LS never came to pick T up and they wouldnt return her texts, she got distressed and drove by the house and saw LS car still parked in driveway. Probably knowing at this point something went wrong, she called a friend, who in turned called the mom...which was more than likely knew there was a safe (possibly in basement) and when contacted was told enough info on the phone to have a "gut" feeling something bad happened.

now given her background and presumed connection with the killer, going on the notion JC knew him well enough to comit armed robberies with, she either knew about it or wanted to cover her ass so turned the tables on T. to which she did a lousy job of in my opinion having refered to her as "some girl" on the 911 call yet the father felt comfortable enough getting in a car with her to drive to the crime scene...

leavin me to still wonder who the cousin is and what he/she name is and how they came in the picture?

[Lady Cop]

doors are kicked in when there is a no-knock warrant, or there are evident exigent (emergency) circumstances.

[pinkyfloyd]

I think sometimes people fail to understand that just because someone says there is a problem does not mean the police can go around kicking doors in. That would be hugely inappropriate & create serious problems. They have so many limitations placed on them. It sucks but it is what it is.

to me it totally doesn't suck...it's one of the benefits of living in a democracy.

-pink

You're right, but only if that democracy applies across the board. It's on the news all the time how police kick in people doors unwarranted, and nothing is done about it. I'm not a police basher, and I feel kicking in the doors was unwarranted at that time. Only if they'd gotten out of their crusers, took a flashlight and looked in the windows, they may have seen what Johnny's cousin saw and been able to save the victims. Johnny's Mother stated to the dispatcher, someone may have kidnapped, and robbed my son. This certainly was no drive by matter, they should have taken the call more serious.

i don't know the order of the police visits, what extent any investigation was done during any said visits, how much was known prior to each said visit, and how the schedule of the 911 calls and the police visits intermingled.

i do know that there hasn't been much public outcry since right at the start. things have settled down measurably in all facets since about 48 hours after the crime, see my previous posts as to why I believe that is.

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

doors are kicked in when there is a no-knock warrant, or there are evident exigent (emergency) circumstances.

neither of which were applicable in this case.

hindsight being 20/20, it sounds to me like LE has done a perfectly respectable job in all facets of this case from start to finish. i see no reason to complain.

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

going back to the post above and the fact JC did serve time with two others for the armed robberies in 2007, one of which is still incarsurated. So assuming there's some credence to this, it could explain the key and security documents...could they killer have found security documents (alarm) while at the pool party after hearing about the safe and entered the home when JC picked up LS from work, knowing they would come back to the house soon after, the plan was then for T (reported heroin addict) to lure them out so the robbery could occur but things went awry, i.e. couldnt find key, spotted, etc. which could explain the method/items used to carry out the killings (household items). So when JC and LS never came to pick T up and they wouldnt return her texts, she got distressed and drove by the house and saw LS car still parked in driveway. Probably knowing at this point something went wrong, she called a friend, who in turned called the mom...which was more than likely knew there was a safe (possibly in basement) and when contacted was told enough info on the phone to have a "gut" feeling something bad happened.

now given her background and presumed connection with the killer, going on the notion JC knew him well enough to comit armed robberies with, she either knew about it or wanted to cover her ass so turned the tables on T. to which she did a lousy job of in my opinion having refered to her as "some girl" on the 911 call yet the father felt comfortable enough getting in a car with her to drive to the crime scene...

leavin me to still wonder who the cousin is and what he/she name is and how they came in the picture?

pool party?? there hasn't been any pool parties at any house in this neighbourhood for at least four months.

sounds like conjecture based on speculation based on fairie tales. some sincere straw-grabbing being done now.

-pink

[browntabby1226]

I think it was on a table...pool table.

[pinkyfloyd]

I think it was on a table...pool table.

this particular home has a pool also, as do most in the neighbourhood.

-pink

[curious]

going back to the post above and the fact JC did serve time with two others for the armed robberies in 2007, one of which is still incarsurated. So assuming there's some credence to this, it could explain the key and security documents...could they killer have found security documents (alarm) while at the pool party after hearing about the safe and entered the home when JC picked up LS from work, knowing they would come back to the house soon after, the plan was then for T (reported heroin addict) to lure them out so the robbery could occur but things went awry, i.e. couldnt find key, spotted, etc. which could explain the method/items used to carry out the killings (household items). So when JC and LS never came to pick T up and they wouldnt return her texts, she got distressed and drove by the house and saw LS car still parked in driveway. Probably knowing at this point something went wrong, she called a friend, who in turned called the mom...which was more than likely knew there was a safe (possibly in basement) and when contacted was told enough info on the phone to have a "gut" feeling something bad happened.

now given her background and presumed connection with the killer, going on the notion JC knew him well enough to comit armed robberies with, she either knew about it or wanted to cover her ass so turned the tables on T. to which she did a lousy job of in my opinion having refered to her as "some girl" on the 911 call yet the father felt comfortable enough getting in a car with her to drive to the crime scene...

leavin me to still wonder who the cousin is and what he/she name is and how they came in the picture?

pool party?? there hasn't been any pool parties at any house in this neighbourhood for at least four months.

sounds like conjecture based on speculation based on fairie tales. some sincere straw-grabbing being done now.

-pink

again, complete speculation but there has been several reports of a pool party (not swimming pool) note the entry by anOn and there's been a couple of others which i will locate and send. solely my opinion but there's more to it than a RANDOM robbery gone bad, i think this was intentional what wasn't intentional was the murder itself. again, going back to the method and items used, doesnt add up to your "typical" home invasion.

[Jane]

yes, in this particular circumstance, for sure. If we're to believe that T actually saw inside the house, that it was ransacked, I'm still stuck on why LE didn't see the same thing. At least by the 2^nd time they went out. Puzzling, since we don't know for sure, T said this. It's what the mother says T said.

if I'm not mistaken, the mother did not start with this ransack talk until the second call, when she was on scene herself. she could have been already subconsciously manipulating her thoughts and opinions she had earlier, she had a lot on her mind at the time, and remember that she was a bit of a whack-job even before all this started.

i'd say it's extremely tough to put even the smallest amount of faith in pretty much anything that the mom says right now, or has said from the beginning.

-pink

you are correct, except the mother wasn't on the scene, until the 3^rd call. (not that it's a huge error, just sayin, lol)

[curious]

going back to the post above and the fact JC did serve time with two others for the armed robberies in 2007, one of which is still incarsurated. So assuming there's some credence to this, it could explain the key and security documents...could they killer have found security documents (alarm) while at the pool party after hearing about the safe and entered the home when JC picked up LS from work, knowing they would come back to the house soon after, the plan was then for T (reported heroin addict) to lure them out so the robbery could occur but things went awry, i.e. couldnt find key, spotted, etc. which could explain the method/items used to carry out the killings (household items). So when JC and LS never came to pick T up and they wouldnt return her texts, she got distressed and drove by the house and saw LS car still parked in driveway. Probably knowing at this point something went wrong, she called a friend, who in turned called the mom...which was more than likely knew there was a safe (possibly in basement) and when contacted was told enough info on the phone to have a "gut" feeling something bad happened.

now given her background and presumed connection with the killer, going on the notion JC knew him well enough to comit armed robberies with, she either knew about it or wanted to cover her ass so turned the tables on T. to which she did a lousy job of in my opinion having refered to her as "some girl" on the 911 call yet the father felt comfortable enough getting in a car with her to drive to the crime scene...

leavin me to still wonder who the cousin is and what he/she name is and how they came in the picture?

pool party?? there hasn't been any pool parties at any house in this neighbourhood for at least four months.

sounds like conjecture based on speculation based on fairie tales. some sincere straw-grabbing being done now.

-pink

again, complete speculation but there has been several reports of a pool party (not swimming pool) note the entry by anOn and there's been a couple of others which i will locate and send. solely my opinion but there's more to it than a RANDOM robbery gone bad, i think this was intentional what wasn't intentional was the murder itself. again, going back to the method and items used, doesnt add up to your "typical" home invasion.

also note an excert from the blade...leading me to believe LE was on to something but keeping hush, hush (rightfully so) about it now...

..."Among the things they are considering, Detective Stooksbury said, is the time Clarke spent in prison for convictions in Lucas County Common Pleas Court on two counts of robbery.

"We're following up every aspect of both of these young people's lives and in that we are looking at his prison history and seeing if he had any problems while he was in prison or anyone connected with that who has been released from prison just as a process of elimination," Detective Stooksbury said.

Clarke was arrested, along with Daniel St. Clair and Quintwez Sanders, in 2007 for robbing two men at gunpoint in two separate incidents in Toledo when Clarke was 18.

In January, 2008, Clarke pleaded no contest to two reduced charges of robbery, a second-degree felony, and was sentenced to three years in prison by Judge Denise Dartt.

In June, 2009, Judge Dartt granted Clarke's motion for early release and placed him on community control — or probation — for three years. St. Clair also was released early from prison, while Sanders, who was sentenced to six years in prison because he was carrying the gun, remains in prison..."

http://toledoblade.com/article/20110205/...4/0/images

[Jane]

going back to the post above and the fact JC did serve time with two others for the armed robberies in 2007, one of which is still incarsurated. So assuming there's some credence to this, it could explain the key and security documents...could they killer have found security documents (alarm) while at the pool party after hearing about the safe and entered the home when JC picked up LS from work, knowing they would come back to the house soon after, the plan was then for T (reported heroin addict) to lure them out so the robbery could occur but things went awry, i.e. couldnt find key, spotted, etc. which could explain the method/items used to carry out the killings (household items). So when JC and LS never came to pick T up and they wouldnt return her texts, she got distressed and drove by the house and saw LS car still parked in driveway. Probably knowing at this point something went wrong, she called a friend, who in turned called the mom...which was more than likely knew there was a safe (possibly in basement) and when contacted was told enough info on the phone to have a "gut" feeling something bad happened.

now given her background and presumed connection with the killer, going on the notion JC knew him well enough to comit armed robberies with, she either knew about it or wanted to cover her ass so turned the tables on T. to which she did a lousy job of in my opinion having refered to her as "some girl" on the 911 call yet the father felt comfortable enough getting in a car with her to drive to the crime scene...

leavin me to still wonder who the cousin is and what he/she name is and how they came in the picture?

pool party?? there hasn't been any pool parties at any house in this neighbourhood for at least four months.

sounds like conjecture based on speculation based on fairie tales. some sincere straw-grabbing being done now.

-pink

again, complete speculation but there has been several reports of a pool party (not swimming pool) note the entry by anOn and there's been a couple of others which i will locate and send. solely my opinion but there's more to it than a RANDOM robbery gone bad, i think this was intentional what wasn't intentional was the murder itself. again, going back to the method and items used, doesnt add up to your "typical" home invasion.

right, pool as in billiard. I also agree it wasn't "random robbery gone bad" .. I think I missed a post of yours; I need to go back & read again. Putting plastic bags over the victims' heads isn't typical either.

[pinkyfloyd]

again, complete speculation but there has been several reports of a pool party (not swimming pool) note the entry by anOn and there's been a couple of others which i will locate and send. solely my opinion but there's more to it than a RANDOM robbery gone bad, i think this was intentional what wasn't intentional was the murder itself. again, going back to the method and items used, doesnt add up to your "typical" home invasion.

i've never once thought this was a random act, you might have caught in some of my previous posts, the theory which i currently hold fast to:

this crime was clearly a statement crime, johnny owed money to someone. the statement of this crime was:

"johnny fucked us. this is what we do to people who fuck us, and also to the loved ones of people who fuck us. don't fuck us."

-pink

[browntabby1226]

Maybe the statement came from the person still in jail.

[curious]

again, complete speculation but there has been several reports of a pool party (not swimming pool) note the entry by anOn and there's been a couple of others which i will locate and send. solely my opinion but there's more to it than a RANDOM robbery gone bad, i think this was intentional what wasn't intentional was the murder itself. again, going back to the method and items used, doesnt add up to your "typical" home invasion.

i've never once thought this was a random act, you might have caught in some of my previous posts, the theory which i currently hold fast to:

this crime was clearly a statement crime, johnny owed money to someone. the statement of this crime was:

"johnny fucked us. this is what we do to people who fuck us, and also to the loved ones of people who fuck us. don't fuck us."

-pink

possibly, if wanting to re-cupe money owed then learning about a safe would give motive and incentive...how it actually played out, we may or may not ever know, but i hold strong on my previous noted theory

[Jane]

So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

that might just be true if you're 100% willing to believe conjecture and rumours.

official word is there may have been some items knocked over, indicating a possible small struggle, and that there were no apparent markings on the bodies apart from the neck area.

"reputable source" - funny.

nobody is in custody, nobody has been labeled a person of interest. two brutal murders in a heavily populated area, yet the police have no suspects, nobody in custody, no artist's rendering of a suspect, and nobody in the area seems particularly fearful for their own lives.

johnny and lisa got killed because of what they were mixed up in. the only people that have anything to worry is others who are mixed up in the same big ball of shit, and those people went to bed every night worrying long before this unfortunate crime.

-pink

The reputable source is not "funny" it is family member of Lisa's who has that information first hand from LE. He said that the they got a lot of DNA from under her nails and witnessed just how awful and messed up the house was . LE are being extremely careful of what is being leaked, for a reason, that is how they catch lies in the interview process. But the fact, and it is a fact that a special cleaning team had to be brought in, indicates a few things weren't just overturned.

hey, thanks for posting this!

[curious]

i have some news from one of Lisa and Johnnys close friends. then again THIS IS ALL WORD OF MOUTH.

"i have a very close friend who go into some shit in high school for pushing drugs. I mean im talking lots of coke and heroin blah blah blah. well he did some time and so did one of his boys for robbery. I guess the kid who robbed people was the guy that killed johnny, thats what they are saying. Because he used to rob safes and Lisas dad has a big safe. I guess they told him that during a party. He came bak and knocked Lisa out, beat Johnny up and when they woke up they beat Lisa up in front of Johnny to torture him then beat him up. I guess the detectives have already questioned the kid so idk thats all i'm hearing so far"

can an0n shed any more "insight" into the above entry???

[Jane]

i have some news from one of Lisa and Johnnys close friends. then again THIS IS ALL WORD OF MOUTH.

"i have a very close friend who go into some shit in high school for pushing drugs. I mean im talking lots of coke and heroin blah blah blah. well he did some time and so did one of his boys for robbery. I guess the kid who robbed people was the guy that killed johnny, thats what they are saying. Because he used to rob safes and Lisas dad has a big safe. I guess they told him that during a party. He came bak and knocked Lisa out, beat Johnny up and when they woke up they beat Lisa up in front of Johnny to torture him then beat him up. I guess the detectives have already questioned the kid so idk thats all i'm hearing so far"

COMPLETE SPECULATION/OPINION/THEORY with no factual basis:

going back to the post above and the fact JC did serve time with two others for the armed robberies in 2007, one of which is still incarsurated. So assuming there's some credence to this, it could explain the key and security documents...could they killer have found security documents (alarm) while at the pool party after hearing about the safe and entered the home when JC picked up LS from work, knowing they would come back to the house soon after, the plan was then for T (reported heroin addict) to lure them out so the robbery could occur but things went awry, i.e. couldnt find key, spotted, etc. which could explain the method/items used to carry out the killings (household items). So when JC and LS never came to pick T up and they wouldnt return her texts, she got distressed and drove by the house and saw LS car still parked in driveway. Probably knowing at this point something went wrong, she called a friend, who in turned called the mom...which was more than likely knew there was a safe (possibly in basement) and when contacted was told enough info on the phone to have a "gut" feeling something bad happened.

now given her background and presumed connection with the killer, going on the notion JC knew him well enough to comit armed robberies with, she either knew about it or wanted to cover her ass so turned the tables on T. to which she did a lousy job of in my opinion having refered to her as "some girl" on the 911 call yet the father felt comfortable enough getting in a car with her to drive to the crime scene...

leavin me to still wonder who the cousin is and what he/she name is and how they came in the picture?

ALL good points, but I'm a bit confused. Do you think the mother knows what happened? You mention "turning the tables on T"

[pinkyfloyd]

can an0n shed any more "insight" into the above entry???

who cares, it would just be conjecture about theory based in rumours, which is what this entire story has now dwindled away to.

I have an additional theory, that the case files have already been moved to long-term storage...

-pink

[TotallyCurious]

Does anyone know how Lisa met Johnny, and why she would be attracted to him?

The key - Obviously the police released the number for a reason. I am wondering what that is.

Most safes and security systems and even entry to storage places are digitized and do not have keys. Thinking......what DOES have a key?

Where has it been proven that either of these two were involved in drugs?