Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[MzFruit]

The Tiffany Reported on the phone call's last name doesnt match that of the myspace.

[MzFruit]

Is that Tiffany? I had seen this link on another site as for the friend Tiffany... must be different girl with the same name that was also a friend of Lisa's... http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1...54&sk=wall

That IS the Tiffany

[Unknown]

IMO: Newer white econ van seen outside the house a day or two before, neighbors say. Perps cut the telephone alarm either the night of the killings or prior days. Go in through the garage into the kitchen where johnny and Lisa are. Johnny grabs a knife, Lisa freaks out and runs down the hall to the front of the house and up the stairs possibly hitting the alarm. She runs into her room and slams the door, then the perp kicks or rams through the door and pulls her down the stairs buy her hair while Lisa reaches up and digs her nails into the arm or face of the perp. In the mean time 2 perps try to over take johnny, but johnny get a few licks in with the knife. blood everywhere in the kitchen (guy who had to clean it up says: There was a lot of blood in there. They duct tape Johnny up and subdue Lisa. They begin torturing them buy asphyxiation to get what information they want. The perps begin rumbling through the house finding anything that points to drugs, money, and security systems to remove any recordings. The lighter and the Baggies were probably pulled out of Johnnys pocket while bounded looking for cash. Lisa begins to tell them anything they need to know. Unfortunately there's nothing of real value they can take other then two $20 dollar bills from a coin jar. The Iraq currency is also something that she probably told them. That her dad had made investments into the dinar.

it's the simple fact that many of us remember when the Kuwait dinar declined to a valuation of 10 US cents after the invasion by Iraq. However, since January 5, 2003, the previous weighted currency basket peg was switched to a higher valuation of 0.29963 dinar. This translates into .34 per 1 dinar, the worlds highest valued currency. Translating this into an exchange rate transaction, a ,000 initial investment around the Gulf War would yield the investor a 3,240% rate of return of 4,000. The same expectations loom over the Iraq economy. Rich in crude exports and likely to remain under the guidance of the US, the country is expected to make a rebound and be catapulted into the global economic arena. The improvement and expansion are expected to be reflected in the underlying currency, creating instant profits for the dinar speculator. If you invest a $1000.00 us it could be worth up to Millions.

[curious]

Check this out...found this on myspace while doing some research on this T character. I'll wait for everyone's comment when they see the picture...

How do you know that that is her?

i don't, this is something that i came across and thought was worth posting...she's from toledo, has a recognized name, and the guy in the pic, to me, looks oddly familiar.

[shitstorm]

interestingly enough, no statements from either johnny's father or lisa's parents.

as terrible as it is to say, they might be actually sharing in tiny little bit of the relief i described above.

even though they were their children, a teeny tiny sense of relief in the fact that the tumultuous book has finally been closed.

-pink

Oh, ffs, Pink!

i didn't say that with any sense of sarcasm whatsoever. you'll see exactly what i mean shortly thereafter when another poster related a story of her own father's musings with regard to her sister.

-pink

Johhny, perhaps, but I'm not feeling that with Lisa. I'm getting a nice girl who got mixed up with a guy from the wrong side of the tracks.

[Lady Cop]

i'd like to be 100% certain the Tiffany posted here is the correct Tiffany. don't want to implicate innocent people in this.

[Unknown]

Is that Tiffany? I had seen this link on another site as for the friend Tiffany... must be different girl with the same name that was also a friend of Lisa's... http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1...54&sk=wall

Yes that is correct. That is Tiffanys Facebook.

[Duchess]

I have security & if the wires were ever to be cut that would bring the cops screaming down the road.

[shitstorm]

i appreciate your optimism, it's cute in a sort of naive way.

You have a very condescending attitude...it's cute in a big asshole kind of way.

^^This

[Unknown]

well they were cut.

[Duchess]

well they were cut.

Alright. I'm just commenting, I'm not saying you're wrong.

[Springfield Twp]

[/quote]

i don't, this is something that i came across and thought was worth posting...she's from toledo, has a recognized name, and the guy in the pic, to me, looks oddly familiar.
[/quote]

The Tiifany on the myspace page is from Point Place which is on the other side of Toledo (Springfield Twp is south and west; Point Place is within the north part of Toledo at least 25 minutes away).

[curious]

i don't, this is something that i came across and thought was worth posting...she's from toledo, has a recognized name, and the guy in the pic, to me, looks oddly familiar.
[/quote]

The Tiifany on the myspace page is from Point Place which is on the other side of Toledo (Springfield Twp is south and west; Point Place is within the north part of Toledo at least 25 minutes away).
[/quote]

thanks for clarifying...reason for putting it out there

[Lady Cop]

welcome Springfield Twp! thanks for being here~~


and i am going to delete any reference to the wrong Tiffany.

[shitstorm]

i appreciate your optimism, it's cute in a sort of naive way.

You have a very condescending attitude...it's cute in a big asshole kind of way.

this isn't the first time a person has made such an observation.

not the first time i've taken it as a compliment either.

thanks, dutchie.

-pink

condescending, smarmy, smug, rude and a blow-hard know-it-all. and nobody said you could address Duchess as 'dutchie'.
further, if you send one more PM to anyone containing uninvited sexual innuendo, i am personally going to throw you out on your ass pinkhole.

Mock is very free in many ways, but there is a modicum of respect expected in this forum.

uh-oh

[MzFruit]

well they were cut.

this could be what the security documents were for? to figure out how to disalarm?

[shitstorm]

There should be a thread on this subject.

Good idea...author it.

If I ever get off of this thread, I may

[Springfield Twp]

welcome Springfield Twp! thanks for being here~~


and i am going to delete any reference to the wrong Tiffany.

Glad to help. I have lived within a mile of the site for 14 years and in the Township for 37.

[brett_ashley]

Similar to another poster today, my parents are original homeowners in the neighborhood where this occurred and live only a few blocks away. They do not personally know the families involved, however, and I came across this thread because my parents have relied primarily on the local newspaper for information about this awful crime -- and the local newspaper coverage has given them the impression that it is a "robbery gone bad". Without much additional details, they were in fact fearful that this might be a random and violent gang of robbers with economic motivations. My parents are older retirees and perhaps not representative of the neighborhood population, but to say that locals are unaffected by this crime is probably not wholly accurate. Especially given what the Unknown person just posted.

To contextualize a bit more, the neighborhood was a great place to grow up and while certainly not at the highest end of the area's socioeconomic distribution, most residents are professionals/white collar workers and share middle/upper middle class values. There are many families with small children, and actually the Longacre house backyard is adjacent to a small church and a public grade school to which kids in the neighborhood walk every day. It is not a small town nor crime-free, though, and my family is also careful to lock doors, set alarms, and maintain good outside lighting. There were a rash of home robberies (mostly electronics) a year or so ago in an adjacent neighborhood but certainly nothing of this scale.

One other point I'd like to make: again, although I do not know the victims or their families, it’s my opinion that no one deserved to suffer what happened to them – especially kids with their lives ahead of them. I’ve not ever committed a felony or even a misdemeanor, but I was not raised by a mother with a lengthy record herself. That does not excuse criminal conduct, but nor does it devalue an individual’s worth to the point of suggesting that John or Lisa will not be missed or this terrible crime will disappear quickly from memory -- that strikes me as needlessly malicious.

[OhioGuy]

IMO: Newer white econ van seen outside the house a day or two before, neighbors say. Perps cut the telephone alarm either the night of the killings or prior days. Go in through the garage into the kitchen where johnny and Lisa are. Johnny grabs a knife, Lisa freaks out and runs down the hall to the front of the house and up the stairs possibly hitting the alarm. She runs into her room and slams the door, then the perp kicks or rams through the door and pulls her down the stairs buy her hair while Lisa reaches up and digs her nails into the arm or face of the perp. In the mean time 2 perps try to over take johnny, but johnny get a few licks in with the knife. blood everywhere in the kitchen (guy who had to clean it up says: There was a lot of blood in there. They duct tape Johnny up and subdue Lisa. They begin torturing them buy asphyxiation to get what information they want. The perps begin rumbling through the house finding anything that points to drugs, money, and security systems to remove any recordings. The lighter and the Baggies were probably pulled out of Johnnys pocket while bounded looking for cash. Lisa begins to tell them anything they need to know. Unfortunately there's nothing of real value they can take other then two $20 dollar bills from a coin jar. The Iraq currency is also something that she probably told them. That her dad had made investments into the dinar.

it's the simple fact that many of us remember when the Kuwait dinar declined to a valuation of 10 US cents after the invasion by Iraq. However, since January 5, 2003, the previous weighted currency basket peg was switched to a higher valuation of 0.29963 dinar. This translates into .34 per 1 dinar, the worlds highest valued currency. Translating this into an exchange rate transaction, a ,000 initial investment around the Gulf War would yield the investor a 3,240% rate of return of 4,000. The same expectations loom over the Iraq economy. Rich in crude exports and likely to remain under the guidance of the US, the country is expected to make a rebound and be catapulted into the global economic arena. The improvement and expansion are expected to be reflected in the underlying currency, creating instant profits for the dinar speculator. If you invest a $1000.00 us it could be worth up to Millions.

How did you hear this info? I like hearing your info a lot more than Pink. You seem to know a lot more than everyone else combined.