Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[doing40thisyear]

I brought it up because "unknown" claimed that the younger boyfriend of Ms Tiff, Mr Z, was addicted to percs. I believe the comment was removed. it was just IMO comment and it was late. Also they said that LS was dealing with a popping pills problem herself. Of course there were other drugs like mary jane but I think that MS TIFF and the younger boyfriend, MR Z, were trying desperately to find money for drugs because they were withdrawling. As mentioned in previous post; partying at the pool party. MS. Tiff, supposely, herion dealer which usually means she deals to make money to supply her own drug habit. IMO of course. Perqs were mentioned earlier in the thread. Im sorry the mother looks loopy even before this happened in some of pics with her son. IMO ...you would of had to be scewed up really bad on some sort of drug to commit this crime. I am in my 40s, dont know either of the victoms but I do live in OHIO. I not that old but I am taken back what one will do for drugs. One time a person, (she wasnt a friend persay I had met her while in a counseling group as she was having problems with her husband). She didnt have alot of money so I hired for cleaning while I was home of course. She showed up one night because she got into a fight with her husband and it was pouring raining so I let her in. Never had problems with her before. She looked weird in the eyes but she said a fight with husband so I figured she been crying. It was late about midnight. I felt sorry for her as again she cleained for me and I didnt have problems with her until that night. I started to make tea for her and while I was away for a sec, she stole 10 dollars from my desk in plain site. I confronted her but of course she denied. I was so mad to be this nice person to let her in and make her tea. I asked her to leave as that 10 dollars was on the desk before I went into to kitchen to make tea. I, immediately, called her husband who informed me that she was a crack addict. See how you can be fooled and See how somone desperate to get there high fix will do anything to get money for the drug or the drug itself.

[Lady Cop]

welcome to Mock Doing40....under the speed limit eh?
thanks for joining~~

[TotallyCurious]

Do perqs react differently with each person? Only had them once for
pain and they made me sleepy and nauseous.

[doing40thisyear]

Lady Cop..I love this site and I been reading since the beginning when I heard about this awful crime. What one will do for drugs. Anyone know if the ex boyfriend of LS may have been friends with MR Z?

[Freshbait78]

Do perqs react differently with each person? Only had them once for
pain and they made me sleepy and nauseous.

I'd say so. I've had them once & would never take another again. They made me wayyyy to relaxed & sleepy. I was actually afraid to fall asleep for fear that I'd stop breathing but I don't like taking medication to begin with. I have a "ex" friend who became addicted to them & they perked her up. I do know that it doesn't take long for your tolerance to go up on percs & have heard of people who take 40+ pills a day to get high. Chasing the dragon.

[Lady Cop]

Lady Cop..I love this site and I been reading since the beginning when I heard about this awful crime. What one will do for drugs. Anyone know if the ex boyfriend of LS may have been friends with MR Z?

thankyou, and i don't know. stories proliferate like kudzu online.

you mentioned this: "I brought it up because "unknown" claimed that the younger boyfriend of Ms Tiff, Mr Z, was addicted to percs. I believe the comment was removed."

i want to clarify that i never altered or changed Unknown's posts. i have had to alter very very few posts here, to protect the innocent. i just wanted that to be clear to everyone. there is no heavy-handed punitive slap-your knuckles moderation at Mock.

[kitty1]

It is easy to explain, they loved their daughter!

And I would bet having her where they could at see how she was doing was very important to them, even if it meant having the BF there too, and if what allieayy wrote is true, LS had just lost an apartment (Nov/Dec) with one friend due JC's behavior. As parents, sometimes with adult children we put up with what we would not put up with if they were under age. I think if your a parent of an adult child, a daughter especially, you'll understand.

yes!!!!!! thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Freshbait78]

It is easy to explain, they loved their daughter!

And I would bet having her where they could at see how she was doing was very important to them, even if it meant having the BF there too, and if what allieayy wrote is true, LS had just lost an apartment (Nov/Dec) with one friend due JC's behavior. As parents, sometimes with adult children we put up with what we would not put up with if they were under age. I think if your a parent of an adult child, a daughter especially, you'll understand.

I do have a child, a daughter whom I love more than life itself, she's not a adult yet. She's still young. I hope I'm never placed in the situation that LS's parents were & as I said, I'm not placing blame on anyone but the actual person or people who committed this crime. I do have a tolerance of zero for shitty men... and women but being that I'm a single female & mom, I especially have a zero tolerance for abusive, in any way shape or form, men & if my adult daughter were involved with one, I honestly cannot say how I would handle it. Right now I'd say absolutely no way would I allow someone who was abusive into my home or condone that kind of relationship because I can't stand the thought of anyone hurting my child. But that's just what I THINK I'd do, if I were actually faced with that, who knows. Again, this is why I'm not passing judgement, I've never walked in the Straubs shoes & pray I never have to. I understand Kittys explination & I sympathize.

[DCTim]

Lady Cop..I love this site and I been reading since the beginning when I heard about this awful crime. What one will do for drugs. Anyone know if the ex boyfriend of LS may have been friends with MR Z?

thankyou, and i don't know. stories proliferate like kudzu online.

you mentioned this: "I brought it up because "unknown" claimed that the younger boyfriend of Ms Tiff, Mr Z, was addicted to percs. I believe the comment was removed."

i want to clarify that i never altered or changed Unknown's posts. i have had to alter very very few posts here, to protect the innocent. i just wanted that to be clear to everyone. there is no heavy-handed punitive slap-your knuckles moderation at Mock.

LC: Didn't you delete on of Unknown's earliest posts, where he apparently listed some inside info? That was right about the time I joined your forum, and remember thinking I was a day or two too late. It was when you encouraged him to talk to LE if he hadn't already, since he obviously had some insider knowledge of what transpired that night.

[doing40thisyear]

Sorry...all i Know it was earlier comment about this person was friends with MR Z's mother and MR Z was looking for money like that day as I believe that MR Z called his mother for money but that his mother didnt give MR Z any money and that he was having bad withdrawl, as he did have a addiction to perqs. I thought I read a post that you had removed it. This post also stated that MS TIFF was herion dealer. I think MS TIFF is in on this crime. 2^nd 911 reveals that IMO. again sorry

[aileen]

(click on the column headings text to sort by that column)
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER
TRD-10-20840-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE;FAILURE TO DISPLAY LICENSE WHEN DEMAND IS PROPERLY MADE
TRD-10-20840-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TWO HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED ON VEHICLE OTHER THAN MOTORCYCLE
TRD-10-20840-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 BROKEN, CRACKED, NONTRANSPARENT GLASS


From Toledo Municipal Court

Very good - thank you.

Can you pull anything up for JC's father and T's bf, A.G?

[Freshbait78]

Sorry...all i Know it was earlier comment about this person was friends with MR Z's mother and MR Z was looking for money like that day as I believe that MR Z called his mother for money but that his mother didnt give MR Z any money and that he was having bad withdrawl, as he did have a addiction to perqs. I thought I read a post that you had removed it. This post also stated that MS TIFF was herion dealer. I think MS TIFF is in on this crime. 2^nd 911 reveals that IMO. again sorry

Nothing to be sorry for I remember that post as well. I just know that you don't weigh out pills & being that there were scales collected as evidence I wanted to point out that this may not have JUST been over percs. That is all.

[Red_velvet71]

Yeah. I dont think her and her younger dude had money for perqs and they were craving perqs. I believe it was her, the younger boyfriend, MR Z, and another dude and they arrived earlier than JC and LS because they knew Johnny would be getting perqs off his mother to get high with for the pool party that night but they knew JC wouldnt probably let them get high without the money to buy the perqs. I think in the 2^nd 911, Tiffany sounds high and she mentions cabinets...But how come the mother or father of JC or the COPS dont see what Tiffany seen that the house look messed up...(cabinets open, disarrayed) What I gathered from it is no one could see in until someone was lifted. I believe she was not there at the time it started but was definetly there after helping come up with alibi for her younger boyfriend, MR Z and his friend, IMO...they were definetly there for drugs and quickly because they are so addicted to the drugs. This is why Tiff is no longer talking to the younger dude, MR Z.

Are you referring perqs. as Percocet?

[doing40thisyear]

I thought about the scale thing too...and here is something that i was thinking. Drug Dealers will do anything to make it look like it is the drug of some sort. As to crush pill and then weigh them to make it look like the buyer is getting the drug they need. It is real easy to crush pills, then weigh them, put them in small white baggies for sale. IMO not only were they trying to get drugs but were high themselves as many drugs dealer are addicts and deal to make money for the drugs themselves. As for instance, Drug dealers will crush those caffeine pills, the white one, "NO DOZ" sell them to buyers that think they are getting cocaine. Some herion is white, right? maybe I am way off base but I still think that Mother Maytee knows more ...its in my gut for some reason and MS TIFF is knee dip in the crime. I mad because my tax dollars are paying for this fools education as well as all her kids being born. LOSER.

[doing40thisyear]

YES I AM referring to PERCOCETS

[Lady Cop]

Lady Cop..I love this site and I been reading since the beginning when I heard about this awful crime. What one will do for drugs. Anyone know if the ex boyfriend of LS may have been friends with MR Z?

thankyou, and i don't know. stories proliferate like kudzu online.

you mentioned this: "I brought it up because "unknown" claimed that the younger boyfriend of Ms Tiff, Mr Z, was addicted to percs. I believe the comment was removed."

i want to clarify that i never altered or changed Unknown's posts. i have had to alter very very few posts here, to protect the innocent. i just wanted that to be clear to everyone. there is no heavy-handed punitive slap-your knuckles moderation at Mock.

LC: Didn't you delete on of Unknown's earliest posts, where he apparently listed some inside info? That was right about the time I joined your forum, and remember thinking I was a day or two too late. It was when you encouraged him to talk to LE if he hadn't already, since he obviously had some insider knowledge of what transpired that night.

i did not delete any Unknown's post or posts. i can't recall now, but i think i may have edited one for safety of someone.

[EastCoastKat]

the person who was on the phone was a heroin dealer! Yes her credibility is shit! Her Ex-Boyfriend just got out of prison for Robbery. I wouldn't believe anything out of her mouth. Also, she lives with Mr.Z mom. Mr.Z mom told me this a month before the murder. Told me two weeks ago that here son is going thru percocets withdraws and has been stealing from her probley to support the habit since he has no job.

Mr.Z mom text messaged my mom yesterday asking for money that she could borrow. My mom said no and then received a message back from Mr.Z mom that said it wasn't her who sent that, that it was Mr.Z. My mom is freaking out so she called the Detectives and said what should she do in fear of being setup for a robbery and he said that my mom is to close to Mr.Z family for him to probably do anything to her. That if anything happens to call 911 right away.

I think these may be the 2 posts?

[Lady Cop]

thanks Kat...so clearly the posts are still here.

[Freshbait78]

I thought about the scale thing too...and here is something that i was thinking. Drug Dealers will do anything to make it look like it is the drug of some sort. As to crush pill and then weigh them to make it look like the buyer is getting the drug they need. It is real easy to crush pills, then weigh them, put them in small white baggies for sale. IMO not only were they trying to get drugs but were high themselves as many drugs dealer are addicts and deal to make money for the drugs themselves. As for instance, Drug dealers will crush those caffeine pills, the white one, "NO DOZ" sell them to buyers that think they are getting cocaine. Some herion is white, right? maybe I am way off base but I still think that Mother Maytee knows more ...its in my gut for some reason and MS TIFF is knee dip in the crime. I mad because my tax dollars are paying for this fools education as well as all her kids being born. LOSER.

OK you lost me However, you no longer have to be mad about paying for the "fools" education because he's no longer alive. I don't know him or Lisa personally but I still think it's a sad situation all around for all involved.

[EastCoastKat]

New Information: Mr.Z has a polygraph test scheduled for Monday and his mom is trying to lawyer up.

Most welcome LC!

I would like to know what happened on Monday, and if Mr. Z lawyered up?