Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[sharit]

It was Maytee that said abduction in her 911 call, wasn't it?

yes

[Methusala]

I too remember a report, either on the 911 call, Jane V's show, or maybe with a news station, where Maytee or TW says something about Johnny saying "Hey BRO, what the hell are you doing here BRO?!":....It caught my attention that very minute, and I didn't save it or copy it at the time.....Wish I would've copied where I saw/heard that, because at the time I brushed it off, thinking that Johnny may have said "Bro" to some guy walking up or being there that was an intruder, but it makes much more sense that he KNEW the guy, and that's why he said "Bro"...I saw this SOON after the murder- like in the first few days I took interest in the case. I have no idea where I saw/heard it now though.

I respectfully disagree with the notion that addressing someone as "Bro" means they are already known. Among those who think that this is classy, a perfect stranger might be addressed as "bro."

My impression is that addressing someone as "bro" simply means "I think you are one of us."

It started out as a greeting between black men meeting for the first time, as a greeting. And since then has been appropriated unfortunately by those, black and white, who want to think of themselves as "gangsta" types.

[Lady Cop]

isn't sharita maytee's cousin? and someone said there are 2 sharitas in the cast. one was involved in the stalking incident and supposedly had a fling with maytee's husband. this again is gossip, so i take it as such.

[sharit]

I too remember a report, either on the 911 call, Jane V's show, or maybe with a news station, where Maytee or TW says something about Johnny saying "Hey BRO, what the hell are you doing here BRO?!":....It caught my attention that very minute, and I didn't save it or copy it at the time.....Wish I would've copied where I saw/heard that, because at the time I brushed it off, thinking that Johnny may have said "Bro" to some guy walking up or being there that was an intruder, but it makes much more sense that he KNEW the guy, and that's why he said "Bro"...I saw this SOON after the murder- like in the first few days I took interest in the case. I have no idea where I saw/heard it now though.

I respectfully disagree with the notion that addressing someone as "Bro" means they are already known. Among those who think that this is classy, a perfect stranger might be addressed as "bro."

My impression is that addressing someone as "bro" simply means "I think you are one of us."

It started out as a greeting between black men meeting for the first time, as a greeting. And since then has been appropriated unfortunately by those, black and white, who want to think of themselves as "gangsta" types.

agree

[Duchess]

I will never understand why someone would aspire to be looked upon as a gangster. Am I missing something here? Why in hell would a reputation like that be considered cool? Gangsters are not respected or thought well of yet, someone wants to be looked at as "gangsta" & does what they can to enforce they be taken as such. Jesus Christ.

[Methusala]

Official polygrapher pages say it is usually NOT done in first
trimester. It can be legally sought at any time.

Of course, anyone can refuse one at any time, however law enforcement
would still have the opportunity to legally request.

I would rather it be done now than have a client use the "Post Partum
Depression" defense after the fact as an excuse for it being an
incriminating test.

I really do not, do not trust poly's, sorry but they can really screw up an innocent person! There was a trucker a serial killer that killing women all along a thruway, and he killed a woman in her back yard in Pennsylvania, slit her throat and her husband was sleeping up stairs, at the time she was on the phone with a friend and dropped the phone, well anyway they pollyed the husband and HE FAILED BIG TIME, BUT IT WASN'T HIM! So I really don't trust those results they are not 100% and they work against the innocent! JMHO

The main value of scheduling a polygraph test in a criminal case occurs just before it starts, when many persons, facing the machine, suddenly feel a compulsion to reveal to the polygrapher previously untold facts or events, whether it be a confession or an implication of others whom the interviewee was previously trying to protect; at which point LE can be called into the room, the interviewee mirandized, and a statement taken with the interviewee's consent.

[EastCoastKat]

I too remember a report, either on the 911 call, Jane V's show, or maybe with a news station, where Maytee or TW says something about Johnny saying "Hey BRO, what the hell are you doing here BRO?!":....It caught my attention that very minute, and I didn't save it or copy it at the time.....Wish I would've copied where I saw/heard that, because at the time I brushed it off, thinking that Johnny may have said "Bro" to some guy walking up or being there that was an intruder, but it makes much more sense that he KNEW the guy, and that's why he said "Bro"...I saw this SOON after the murder- like in the first few days I took interest in the case. I have no idea where I saw/heard it now though.

I respectfully disagree with the notion that addressing someone as "Bro" means they are already known. Among those who think that this is classy, a perfect stranger might be addressed as "bro."

My impression is that addressing someone as "bro" simply means "I think you are one of us."

It started out as a greeting between black men meeting for the first time, as a greeting. And since then has been appropriated unfortunately by those, black and white, who want to think of themselves as "gangsta" types.

I would agree, it probably is just that..at first I thought he said: hey bro, what do you want, what are you doing here and then who are you...which made me think he knew one of the people but then I heard the 911 for myself and heard Ms. T say in the 911 call she heard JC "he was yellin at somebody he goes bro who are you" and that's all T says on 911. and that she heard him arguing but doesn't say what?

[Lady Cop]

a couple words about polygraphs. i am sure everyone knows they are not admissible in court unless both sides stipulate to them. often, if someone lawyers up their lawyer will do a poly so they can (hopefully) proclaim their client's innocence. you'll never hear about it from the lawyer if it goes south.

police use it as a tool. often it helps to rule someone out. or not.
i only trust them when done by proven experts. like the FBI.
but it IS just a tool.

some people will freak when they are asked to take one, and spill their guts, thinking the poly will have some magical ability to know their deepest secrets.

and of course a person can refuse a poly. that goes to our right not to incriminate ourselves. but then some will infer something nefarious from the refusal, just like they do when someone pleads the Fifth.
i wouldn't rely on one to build a case to take to the DA. it would be a tiny piece of the case.

[Methusala]

I will never understand why someone would aspire to be looked upon as a gangster. Am I missing something here? Why in hell would a reputation like that be considered cool? Gangsters are not respected or thought well of yet, someone wants to be looked at as "gangsta" & does what they can to enforce they be taken as such. Jesus Christ.

You're too young to remember the musical "Guy & Dolls" which glamorized the male gangsters of the twenties and their female companions. Presented, I believe in the 40s, audiences thought the characters were adorable and hilarious. And they were so thought of by many even in their day in the twenties. By many, they were respected and well thought of.

[brett_ashley]

I will never understand why someone would aspire to be looked upon as a gangster. Am I missing something here? Why in hell would a reputation like that be considered cool? Gangsters are not respected or thought well of yet, someone wants to be looked at as "gangsta" & does what they can to enforce they be taken as such. Jesus Christ.

That's a thought that probably many people on this board share. I am a sociologist - my focus is on education, more specifically how college can serve as a way to better one's socioeconomic life prospects. But I've done a lot of reading and research on growing up in a lower class social context and how education can intervene to improve these circumstances (which is obviously a tough if not impossible task). In some environments, the reality is quite different from mainstream society in terms of acceptable behaviors and norms as well as what's respected (i.e., "gangsta" attitudes). Also, people feel so powerless to escape their circumstances, acting tough is a way to exert individual control despite the fact that it often leads to self-destruction. A very readable book on this is "Gang Leader for a Day" by Sudhir Venkatesh.

It's been said earlier on this board, but I think a lot of the interest in this case is fueled by the intersection of this "gangsta" culture with, at least from outside appearances, a very mainstream household and a cute normal seeming upper middle class white family. It's jarring for many who live in the suburbs to see this culture and its ramifications move into their boundaries.

[Lady Cop]

I will never understand why someone would aspire to be looked upon as a gangster. Am I missing something here? Why in hell would a reputation like that be considered cool? Gangsters are not respected or thought well of yet, someone wants to be looked at as "gangsta" & does what they can to enforce they be taken as such. Jesus Christ.

You're too young to remember the musical "Guy & Dolls" which glamorized the male gangsters of the twenties and their female companions. Presented, I believe in the 40s, audiences thought the characters were adorable and hilarious. And they were so thought of by many even in their day in the twenties. By many, they were respected and well thought of.

hahaha i must be an antique! my Mom took me to see 'Guys and Dolls' when i was a kid, at the Hyannis Music Tent. and of course there was the 1955 movie. that did not present them as the murderous drug thugs we see now, the characters were funny and charming.

[EastCoastKat]

I will never understand why someone would aspire to be looked upon as a gangster. Am I missing something here? Why in hell would a reputation like that be considered cool? Gangsters are not respected or thought well of yet, someone wants to be looked at as "gangsta" & does what they can to enforce they be taken as such. Jesus Christ.

You're too young to remember the musical "Guy & Dolls" which glamorized the male gangsters of the twenties and their female companions. Presented, I believe in the 40s, audiences thought the characters were adorable and hilarious. And they were so thought of by many even in their day in the twenties. By many, they were respected and well thought of.

hahaha i must be an antique! my Mom took me to see 'Guys and Dolls' when i was a kid, at the Hyannis Music Tent. and of course there was the 1955 movie. that did not present them as the murderous drug thugs we see now, the characters were funny and charming.

THANKS now I got that song running through my head .....

I gotta horse right here..... OH NO, make it STOP

[EastCoastKat]

I will never understand why someone would aspire to be looked upon as a gangster. Am I missing something here? Why in hell would a reputation like that be considered cool? Gangsters are not respected or thought well of yet, someone wants to be looked at as "gangsta" & does what they can to enforce they be taken as such. Jesus Christ.

That's a thought that probably many people on this board share. I am a sociologist - my focus is on education, more specifically how college can serve as a way to better one's socioeconomic life prospects. But I've done a lot of reading and research on growing up in a lower class social context and how education can intervene to improve these circumstances (which is obviously a tough if not impossible task). In some environments, the reality is quite different from mainstream society in terms of acceptable behaviors and norms as well as what's respected (i.e., "gangsta" attitudes). Also, people feel so powerless to escape their circumstances, acting tough is a way to exert individual control despite the fact that it often leads to self-destruction. A very readable book on this is "Gang Leader for a Day" by Sudhir Venkatesh.

It's been said earlier on this board, but I think a lot of the interest in this case is fueled by the intersection of this "gangsta" culture with, at least from outside appearances, a very mainstream household and a cute normal seeming upper middle class white family. It's jarring for many who live in the suburbs to see this culture and its ramifications move into their boundaries.

No, not for me, not the mainstream upper middle class white family thing, I'm a child of the 60's and I have seen a lot of boundaries cross and clash but that's not it for me it was the age of the victims and the awful, gruesome manner of death.

(My avatar might give it away the 60's thing, that's Abby Hoffman being gagged by the American flag.)

[DCTim]

JC's funeral today was expectedley sad, very well attended but otherwise uneventful. It took place at the funeral home and lasted approximately 50 minutes.

Most of those in attendance appeared to me in their 20s, and many were visibly shaken - even young guys were crying. It was pretty much standing room only and it was obvious that JC had many friends.

There were no outbursts or any "'circus"-type behaviors; mostly a pretty dignified service. Maytee was obviously in emotional pain, and spent most if not all of the service kneeling at the casket of her son. There was another, older woman who seemed to be having a hard time; not sure who she was. Perhaps a grandmother?

LE was onhand as well, and provided a police escort to the cemetary, which surprised me. There was to be a reception at a nearby church after the burial from noon-3, according to the printed program.

[TotallyCurious]

"Gangsta" - the coolest thing now I guess in Music particularly.

I find "Jersey Shore' equally revolting, and I bet 'gangstas'
love that show.

[shitstorm]

go read the justice for JC and LS FB page... read all the comments under the entry that begins with their picture from the Blade and it says February 10, 2011 article. It's the one under the post about how FB changed to allow admininstrators to see postings first blah blah blah. GOOD STUFF!

sorry, may i have the link again? thanks~

http://tinyurl.com/6zuft4z

yes thankyou, i am familiar with google. but a couple people were kind enough to post the link directly after i asked for it since i am busy monitoring more than one case.

I'm still this far back in the thread!

Hey, I was just dying to use that funny Google link thingy and you provided the opportunity. It was meant in humor. There are so many FB and other links that I can't keep them all straight, myself.

[kitty1]

Maytee repeated to LE
what
Sirita told Maytee
that
TW told Sirita that TW thought she heard on the phone.

Remember playing 'telephone' in elementary school?

I go to the conversation that Tiff gave to the LE on 911
and believe that.

I also wonder where from Tiff to Sirita to Maytell, abduction came
into the picture.

I maintain Tiff thought it was "weird" but when (and we do not
know how long it took Sirita to call Maytee) Sirita called, Maytee,
Maytee went BERZeRK. WHY??????

Think about it.

YES YES YES!!!!!! this are exactly things i have been thinking about. mom says something on 911 call (not exact quote) ''i wanna know what happened to my son. did whoever went over there to assault and rob them abduct them" the mom was going berzerk as if she already knew something horrific had happened!!!

[EastCoastKat]

JC's funeral today was expectedley sad, very well attended but otherwise uneventful. It took place at the funeral home and lasted approximately 50 minutes.

Most of those in attendance appeared to me in their 20s, and many were visibly shaken - even young guys were crying. It was pretty much standing room only and it was obvious that JC had many friends.

There were no outbursts or any "'circus"-type behaviors; mostly a pretty dignified service. Maytee was obviously in emotional pain, and spent most if not all of the service kneeling at the casket of her son. There was another, older woman who seemed to be having a hard time; not sure who she was. Perhaps a grandmother?

LE was onhand as well, and provided a police escort to the cemetary, which surprised me. There was to be a reception at a nearby church after the burial from noon-3, according to the printed program.

Thank you! This is nice to hear that it went well, as well as could be expected of course...Thank you for posting this!

[BoogyWoogy]

the older lady was tatee her mom, she was very close to jc, she did alot for him, they are having a get together again to night to remember jc,

[TotallyCurious]

It was Maytee that said abduction in her 911 call, wasn't it?

Yes, it was.

I wonder why her mind went there.

My son has called from parties and there was raucous noise and
his phone went dead and I never once thought to think he was
'abducted' or 'tied up.' (and those are quotes)

Granted he caught hell when he came home for being
disrespectful, but never once did my mind go to him being
tied up or kidnapped.

I say Maytell KNEW SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is MORE TO HER STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!