Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

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RaisingAPrince Wrote:
(Yesterday 11:01 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote:
I urge you all to be more fair here. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO BEAT
LISA UP. My mother beat me up (usually where it did not show)
in rage. I had a little brother who would kick every time he waked
by. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO BEAT LISA UP. It could have been
she was in a hen fight. WE CAN NOT BLAME X due to rumor. Please.

(I am not placing ANY blame on anyone, but suggesting it does not
necessarily mean the bruises came from X)

Thank you for those comments. I completely agree. For all we know, JC hit Lisa? If he was "known" to punch her friend in the stomach, who knows what went on between him and LS!!

I said I would answer totally curious when we came back up so here goes.

First of all, if we aren't looking at anyone strictly by rumor then I guess that blows atleast half of what has been said about Tiffany & Maytee out of the water. ALSO I'm not blaming the ex BD for, especially murder or in the involvement in it. I simply said I do not understand why LS's parents would invite him (because the funeral was private so invitation was needed) to the funeral.

The reason why I do not understand it is because of this: If you go back to page 131 post #1834 by Jash, she looked up the ex, BD & found him in the Sylvania Municpal Courts website. Just a snippit of what was reported:

"He did have an assault charge filed in 2009.
Had to make restitution, fines, etc, and dismissed charges. He completed anger management and restitution. There was a "no contact" instigated against the victim of the assault, but it does NOT name the victim."

While the dockets do not name the victim, I am basing my opinion on this legal public document (fact) coupled with testimony from those who claim to know Lisa & her ex BD & things that happened between the 2 which included physical abuse & stalking.(possible rumor) These claims were made (if memory serves me right, because why else would there be a need to look him up) before Jash even looked up the ex so its not as if people who claim to know Lisa came in, saw Jashs post & THEN said Oh yeah BTW about that EX of hers....

These charges were from 2009, it is rumored that JC & LS had been dating for about 2 years, which would mean the beginning of their relationship was sometime in or around 2009, around the same time these charges & the no contact order was filed. The person who claimed to have worked with Lisa & saw her come into work beat the hell up, specifically asked why the ex, BD was not being investigated, not JC, although I'm not claiming that JC wasn't capable of physical violence, he just doesn't fit into the timeline for this reported incident & isn't named by the claimant. Now to say that we don't know where she got the bruises is true, the only way to know would be to witness the incident. I do think it's common for victims of DV to lie & say they bumped into walls or fell down stairs to account for their injuries too.

I'm just putting 2 & 2 together. It has been claimed/rumored/reported/testified too.... however you'd like to put it, that BD was a psycho, that he stalked her & that he beat her & then I have fact from a court docket that says he assaulted someone & had a TRO put out on him. If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral

EXACTLY! And add to the list, that at the same time (same date) he was also arrested for criminal trespass. A previous poster, claiming to be a friend of Lisa's stated that the criminal trespass happened when he went to the house, and either actually got in, or tried to get in, to see or get to Lisa. TRO stems from that incident, and friends of Lisa have posted he should be looked at cuz he has hit her before. You do not receive a TRO in a he said, she said thing....he got it slapped on him because he came to her home, was stalking her, had been abusive, etc. For people to have sympathy for HIM, is beyond me. That was my point, why would her parents allow him there as it would be a COLD COLD day in hell that any man that caused my daughter physical and emotional pain would weep at her casket. If in fact he was there, to me, this perpetuates the diminishing or desensitization that is occurring relating to violence against women. Sure, he abused her, but he didn't kill her, so he is elevated above JC and his hoodrat friends. Aw...poor BD, they were high school sweethearts, he looooved her...yeah, he loved her so much he stalked, alledgedly broke into her home, beat her according to friends, was arrested, had to undergo anger management classes, and got a TRO slapped against him...but Oh well, Lisa's gone now and all is forgiven? Some of the younger women on here claiming to be lisa's friends also seem to have sympathy for him, but again, that is the mindset of alot of young women. They say, "Yes, we knew it, but she loved him, what could we do?" They don't GET that they can do ALOT. Is it SO common amongst young people now that everyone assumes physical/emotional abuse is just a normal part of a relationship?? NO FUCKING WAY on my part. This is just my opinion of course, but to have one iota of sympathy for an abusive loser...I just don't get that AT ALL...not at all.
His record is a FACT...and it was backed up by claimed friends of Lisa's on the board.

Is there an APPLAUSE smiley? I don't get it either Jash. I really really don't

[Kip]

"central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

Yes, Central Security is a local security service.

[curious]

"central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

I've been wondering the same thing and the central security documents are somehow linked to the DVD. Also curious about the cardboard boxes and foreign currency seized...might these items all be related somehow? Has there been any mention of LS parents' occupation? And lastly, is anyone else suspicious of the pink/black interband pants found under LS neck...

[Kip]

Did anyone see the post on one of the newspaper websites where Johnny was supposedly telling friends that Lisa's parents had a safe and he would fan himself with cash? Sounds like he was joshing, but someone may have taken him seriously. I'll see if I can find it, if it's not been posted by tomorrow. I'm out for the evening.

I'm starting to fear that there will not be an arrest? It doesn't seem possible given the characters who are likely involved but man, one would think they'd have something by now. Ladycop, feel free to weigh in. What might they be waiting for in terms of forensics, etc. before making an arrest?

It wouldn't surprise me if Johnny or Maytee bragged about loot in the Straub house, but I'd like to know when that comment was posted. If it was posted before Sunday's article about the killers looking for a safe, I'd give it more credence.

[Springfield Twp]

I found this tweet (below) from our local ABC affiliate interesting. Possible that the speculation is that an arrest is coming and they want to get their story constructed ahead of time?

13abc - Friend of Lisa Straub? The newsroom is interested in talking with you. Call 419-534-3858 and ask for Alexis.

[EastCoastKat]

"central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

I've been wondering the same thing and the central security documents are somehow linked to the DVD. Also curious about the cardboard boxes and foreign currency seized...might these items all be related somehow? Has there been any mention of LS parents' occupation? And lastly, is anyone else suspicious of the pink/black interband pants found under LS neck...

I found this on the Toledo Central Security website, under the residential:

"We also offer video surveillance systems for the home. Once the system is installed, if you have a DSL or Cable internet connection, we can setup your Digital Video Recorder on your existing home computer network so you can monitor your cameras from an off-site location(i.e. from work or on vacation) for no additional monthly cost to you."

So maybe there was some type of video surveillance, and the perps got the manual out and checked how the system was set up and where the DVD recorder was?? I know that doesn't mean it was on, but maybe the perps didn't know that? And it was black duct tape, I don't know about anyone else but at my house we have a lot of duct tape laying around the basement and the garage but not black (old silver type), is black relatively new?

[fabulous]

"central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

I've been wondering the same thing and the central security documents are somehow linked to the DVD. Also curious about the cardboard boxes and foreign currency seized...might these items all be related somehow? Has there been any mention of LS parents' occupation? And lastly, is anyone else suspicious of the pink/black interband pants found under LS neck...

what are interband pants?
Mr. Straub works at UPS... not sure where Mrs. Straub works.

[jash]

just getting aught up, johnnys mother lives in her parents house, also when jc was in that trouble, his mom had his settlement money from a car acc, years before, i think it was like under 30 thousand, he got a car and all i knew was his mom went threw it,,,,,,,,,,,,just thought that could help on the lawyer info.

Interesting...I also noticed on the docket for JC armed robbery charge that his trial/sentencing was postponed several times because JC was to ill to come to court...wonder what that was about?

I found this tweet (below) from our local ABC affiliate interesting. Possible that the speculation is that an arrest is coming and they want to get their story constructed ahead of time?

13abc - Friend of Lisa Straub? The newsroom is interested in talking with you. Call 419-534-3858 and ask for Alexis.

That would be fabulous! But since it seems to be a blanket "shout out" for any of Lisa's friends to call Alexis, perhaps it's just they're putting out a story on Lisa herself.?

[RaisingAPrince]

RE: Lisa's Ex being at the funeral

I never defended him or said anything he did was ok. I just think HE is the last thing on the Straub's mind and if they didn't have a problem having him at the funeral, who are we to judge. Obviously if they didn't want him there he wouldn't have been allowed in.

[ZEROSPHERES]

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[quote='TotallyCurious' pid='127910' dateline='1297699278']
If it somehow comes out in the wash that his charges & the TRO are completely unrelated to Lisa, well then my most heart felt apologies but I don't think that's the case & that's why I don't understand why he was invited to the funeral.

You defend your point exceedingly well and your response is well researched....Thanks

[netsleuth]

Good morning everyone nice to be back

For anyone who want to see LE's record of arrests for Maytee and JC's in a much easier to read format, and it has all the evidence that was collected.

http://www.thewaronwomen.org/crime/59426...-who-knew/

I found TW's record interesting as well. I think the people at WOW should post that as well. It seems they're blaming the Mother of a murder victim, indirectly. Blaming Mother's is part of the War on Women, is it not?

[netsleuth]

Seems like some people were thinking the same thing you were LC:

Carrie Sautter
The comments that were being made could easily fall into being...
Incite: Encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior) One CAN be arrested for this, so IMO I think it was best that the mod of this page did what he/she did. I feel for ...his mother, and think the families of both victims could benefit from counseling after losing their children in such a heinous way. I also hope the mod here continues to update articles and such to keep all informed and up to date on this case that we ALL so desperately want solved!!

yes, well EVERYONE reads at MOCK!


Law Enforcement, give us a presser please! even if only to quash rumors, gossip, innuendo, and flat-out LIES. the public wants and needs your input~~
and may Godspeed and guide your work~~

Agreed. Their response is either cunning or ridiculous. I hope it's the former.

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If this is some sort of pay-back, could it be related to DC?

Was JC known to befriend the shooters of DC?

What I get from that video is the term 'BRO" is put in context for me. If JC is quoted as overheard saying "Bro" to the perps (as reported by"T") it shows me he recognized them as street guys he would see out and about. The tone expressed by JC shows it was someone he did not expect to be at LS house that night.

[netsleuth]

JVM tried to mention JC's rap sheet and Maytee wouldn't talk about it, which is understandable, but I think her motives weren't as pure as they should have been, I too like others, think that she didn't want her own dirty laundry aired. Unfortunately, with her rap sheet and all the drugs one has to wonder if she may have mentioned to someone that these kids were alone there, someone that may have known that JC was (allegedly) dealing?? Did she? Who knows but she was awful fast at trying to put the blame at LS's feet, which I thought was just plain disgusting.

The key is someone knew when they were alone and I doubt even a thug of a Mother would put her own son in danger. Yes, she's an interesting person, but the person who tried to establish an alibi and waited two hours to contact anyone is the primary person of interest IMHO. Not to mention her crew has a HISTORY or breaking into homes/beating and robbing people. So far I haven't read anything similar about Maytee and her husband. Remember, Donald Corrigan is dead because he was involved in a home invasion.

[EastCoastKat]

Good morning everyone nice to be back

For anyone who want to see LE's record of arrests for Maytee and JC's in a much easier to read format, and it has all the evidence that was collected.

http://www.thewaronwomen.org/crime/59426...-who-knew/

I found TW's record interesting as well. I think the people at WOW should post that as well. It seems they're blaming the Mother of a murder victim, indirectly. Blaming Mother's is part of the War on Women, is it not?

Hmm, I didn't see TW's record? Meaning a rap sheet, I haven't found one, have you?

[netsleuth]

I'm sure LE doesn't want to show any of their cards, but I just wish they would say something to make the preps sweat!!

Yes, it's driving me crazy.

[netsleuth]

Hmm, I didn't see TW's record? Meaning a rap sheet, I haven't found one, have you?

It was posted here a page or two back. Here it is again.

(click on the column headings text to sort by that column)
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRA-07-13713-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TRAFFICKING IN DRUGS SELL OR OFFER TO SELL
CRA-07-13713-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRA-07-13713-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 PERMITTING DRUG ABUSE amended from POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRB-08-16956-0102 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from ENDANGER CHILDREN;CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO HEALTH OR SAFTETY
CRB-08-16956-0202 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CRB-09-09136-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 PETTY THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-09-09470-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF PROPERTY;KNOWINGLY USE OR OPERATE WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER OR AUTHORIZED PERSON amended from THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER
TRD-04-03596-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/17/1985 ABILITY TO STOP IN ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE
TRD-06-00693-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/17/1985 MAXIMUM SPEEDS: EXCEED 60 MPH ON INTERSTATE SYSTEM
TRD-09-11377-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FAILURE TO STOP AFTER ACCIDENT ON STREET
TRD-09-11377-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 LICENSE REQUIRED;DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE
TRD-09-11377-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 STARTING AND BACKING VEHICLES
TRD-10-10829-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE PLATE;WHEN EXPIRED
TRD-10-20840-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE;FAILURE TO DISPLAY LICENSE WHEN DEMAND IS PROPERLY MADE
TRD-10-20840-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TWO HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED ON VEHICLE OTHER THAN MOTORCYCLE
TRD-10-20840-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 BROKEN, CRACKED, NONTRANSPARENT GLASS

[netsleuth]

What I get from that video is the term 'BRO" is put in context for me. If JC is quoted as overheard saying "Bro" to the perps (as reported by"T") it shows me he recognized them as street guys he would see out and about. The tone expressed by JC shows it was someone he did not expect to be at LS house that night.

As LC points out, we have one source of this information. But, here's my hunch. Tiffany showed up at the house with some unexpected people. People that made Johnny uneasy. I think Tiffany took parts of the conversation that occurred and applied them to her phone scenario.

[EastCoastKat]

NetSleuth:
Thank you, yes WOW should have posted this too!

[netsleuth]

So maybe there was some type of video surveillance, and the perps got the manual out and checked how the system was set up and where the DVD recorder was?? I know that doesn't mean it was on, but maybe the perps didn't know that? And it was black duct tape, I don't know about anyone else but at my house we have a lot of duct tape laying around the basement and the garage but not black (old silver type), is black relatively new?

Very interesting. IIRC, a DVD was noted in the press as missing?