Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Deja]

I wish I had asked TW to explain to us what this means in plain English:

"… im a down ass bytch n i ryde 4 my niggas n bytchs......"

What does that phrase actually mean?
What did she intend it to mean, especially the "…i ryde 4…"

Does it have to do with selling drugs?
Does it mean we stick together and are loyal and don't snitch?

i know "ride or die" refers to sticking around no matter how bad times are and not being a snitch. and if u snitch you die

could it mean : i am a no nonsense girl and i stick up for my girls and boys ?

out of context question... if i may.... was the clarke family at the funeral of LS?

[Duchess]

I noticed on the Straub reward page, Maytee is posting every day. I'm sorry but I am starting to have no sympathy for her. She knows the Straubs want nothing to do with her. Why would she even think to post on their site. They are in as much pain as she is, she should respect that.

Selfish, self centered, self involved, self serving, self indulgent. *shrug*

[Deja]

I noticed on the Straub reward page, Maytee is posting every day. I'm sorry but I am starting to have no sympathy for her. She knows the Straubs want nothing to do with her. Why would she even think to post on their site. They are in as much pain as she is, she should respect that.

Selfish, self centered, self involved, self serving, self indulgent. *shrug*

i feel the same towards her. i saw how she conducted herself on one of the facebook groups, and i was astounded. the words she used was horrible. now on this fb reward page for lisa, she is so nice.

[pspence]

We have to always give Maytee a break - Maytee has lost a son - her first born child - and not hold her accountable for her actions...a tragedy no mother should ever have to endure...we must pray for her...

[Duchess]

I keep returning to the thought that people were wandering around the outside of the house trying to peer through the windows. Johnny & Lisa could have been anywhere yet his family felt certain they were inside the house & couldn't answer the door or phone. The average person DOES NOT exhibit that kind of behavior when the door isn't answered. You just don't wander around the outside of someone's home like that.

[pspence]

Forgive me, but I've read your post over and over and find it fascinating but still don't totally get what you are trying to say...I'm thinking that you think M maybe snitched on on T and that is why you think M suspected her of being in a setup but what I don't get is when you said "why didn't M or husband drive the family van over"... I don't think for a second that M could have been involved in anyway wanting her son involved...bottom line no matter of anything else, she loves him more than life itself...please clue me in and pardon my being dense if I'm not getting the obvious...

[Duchess]

We have to always give Maytee a break

No, I don't.

[pspence]

my above post was asking "Curious" about his/her post ...sorry didn't push reply button

[Duchess]

Look, I'm sorry she lost her son to murder, it's a horror for sure but I know too much about her now to give her any kind of kudos for her parenting skills. She brought that kid into this world, SHE OWED HIM, she owed him a decent life, there's a reason that people in Lisa's world don't want anything to do with her & it began long before these kids were killed. Her own son requested he be allowed to live somewhere else rather than with her, I'm left with the opinion that she probably embarrassed him.

[Duchess]

Maytee, I KNOW you're reading this. You're welcome here. You have defenders & others who feel a great deal of sympathy for you. There are many here who would welcome your input. You obviously have a great deal to say & Mock would give you a platform to say it with no boundaries placed on you. The only thing you wouldn't be allowed to do is make personal threats to others. Are you interested?

[Duchess]

Just to be clear to everyone, we don't ban people for making crappy comments to the Admin., I want everyone to know that, that's not how we roll, you're entitled to your opinion here.

[DCTim]

There is yet another page on FB for this case. This one reportedly created by Lisas family. It's a reward page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Strau...6121073745

it appears to be set up by Lisa's uncle. in decent response and contrast to the sordid, self-serving and salacious other pages out there.

I can't imagine they're all too happy with Maytee's repeated comments, since they've already proclaimed that they want no more contact with JCs family. Almost feels like Maytee is trying to hijack the page...imo. One comment should suffice; no need for repeated ramblings.

[DCTim]

Wasn't there a big time span between when the cops left the 2^nd time and when 911 was called the 3^rd time (after the bodies were found)? What were Maytee & crew doing during this time? Just hanging out in the cold?

What if they really did see the bodies in the basement and they moved them upstairs to the kitchen before calling 911? I'm just throwing it out there, I have no idea why they'd do this.

I believe the 2^nd call to 911 was a little after 2 am. The police was there for about 36 mins. So I would say that gives about an 1 hr or so. That's just my rough estimate. You do make a very interesting point.

I've also wondered what they were doing in the meantime, maybe wondering what they should/could do? And then came up with the idea of hoisting the cuz up to peek in the window. I sure don't think they'd have the presence of mind - or even the motivation - to move the bodies before calling 911 for the third time.

[Lady Cop]

welcome Deja and any others i may have missed in my futile quest for some sleep!

a couple thoughts this morning since i am cranky and need some tea...

it is snowing like a bitch and i have to go out in it and get cigarettes. pray for me. i know Duchess will pray i get my arse back here.
hahahahaha

and FOR THE LAST TIME, THERE IS NO 'T' IN DUCHESS! it is right in front of your noses.

thankyou. i have an unhealthy spelling fetish, and she IS our admin. next "Dutchess" i see gets tasered.

*snarl*

let's hope for some news today before we begin devouring our young.

[kfran]

Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

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and the reference to the tongue being cut out
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

[cjcisneros]

Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

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and the reference to the tongue being cut out
-

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

[HeartBreaker]

Come on people, look at the posts from people who have direct insight into the case, which if you don't catch the fact almost every single detail that's been posted has been accounted for, then I suggest going back through EVERY single thread... combined with the evidence at hand and the dissaociation b/w the two families and the fact the FBI are involved, given the most recent news regarding whine invastions resulting from drug deals gone bad and revenge type killings...impo, this case is far from being resolved but impo, the motive behind it is there, but finding the perps involved may never be resolved. As I've stated all along, I think the "key" lies in the hands of four people, all of which have more street knowledge than common sense, which is much more beneficial when dealing with a crime of this nature. Let's not discount the details that impo clearly hold credence with the facts and overall insight to the details of the crime.

Obviously most of the information has not been reported by LE and it's not going to be until all the ducks are in a row...remember if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

So let's review...and we're all adults and capable of going back through threads, so not going to specifically reference them unless requested by LC or Dutchess...and please note this is my solely my opinion...

- Maytee's husband was reportedly busted driving a truck load of herion, combined with the rumored info
- TW is a reported heroin dealer
- Rumored Lisa's tongue had been cut in some fashion and
several references by Maytee in regards to tongue abuse on perps
- it's been posted neighbors recall seeing a white van at the strains house in the days leading up to the murders, followed by another post questioning why Maytee didn't drive the family van to the home in the night of the murders - ummm
- Maytee makes a point to mention a key in the garage that lots of people know about which is used to gain entrance to the home and ironically evidence was published by LW that a key was
found under the body of LS
- immediate reaction, rather over-reaction of Maytee to throw TW under the bus...suspicious at best and obvious derailment at most
- FINDING IT OKAY FOR YOUR HUSBAND TO RIDE IN THE CAR TO WITH THE PERSON WHO YOU CLAIM SET-UP THE MURDERS NOT 20 MIN LATER??
- there's a big fat reason why the two families are not in communication with each other and haven't been since the on-set
- if you had a good relationship with your family, you certainly don't need a FB page to try and express it!!

I could go on and on, but for the sake of the obvious being blatantly clear impo, the case is going to hit closer to home than we all would like to think.

-

and the reference to the tongue being cut out
-

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I was starting to lose my mind w/all the repeat questions the last couple of days. People please read this thread from the beginning. We've already discussed the 5-4-4 key, the interband pants, the endless FB pages, the white van, blah blah blah. Please stop asking repeat questions & just read this thread from the beginning- yes all 400 pages.

I was saying the same thing ! It took me along time to read all and I had to go back to some and actually made notes ! I have been curious about this story from the beginning and it seems like it may be a while -if at all - that we know all the facts.

i about had a fit this morning when i read that someone had asked what time lisa got off work when we had just discussed it only hours before. READ people READ!!! repeated questions are only making this thread longer and more tedious to go through!

[JustConcerned]

I'm new to this as well ( hoping I'm doing this right ) . I too have been lurking for a few days , trying to keep up... and I must admit that isn't an easy task ! This is such a dramatic situation , and there are so many opinions and theories !
In saying that I want to just add a little bit of food for thought !

1. I have to wonder if Maytee knew of the " key " in the box to enter the home ... Why did John Sr. kick the door in ? Why not on teh 1^st round just get the key and go in ?

2. There has been speculation that Johnny said " We're walking out the door " ... I find it hard to believe that they were right that second walkiing out if Lisa still hadn't changed her clothes !! In saying that , it would be less of a fact that he was " walking out the door " and the intruders pushed him back in and thats how / when they entered !

[kfran]

I'm new to this as well ( hoping I'm doing this right ) . I too have been lurking for a few days , trying to keep up... and I must admit that isn't an easy task ! This is such a dramatic situation , and there are so many opinions and theories !
In saying that I want to just add a little bit of food for thought !

1. I have to wonder if Maytee knew of the " key " in the box to enter the home ... Why did John Sr. kick the door in ? Why not on teh 1^st round just get the key and go in ?

2. There has been speculation that Johnny said " We're walking out the door " ... I find it hard to believe that they were right that second walkiing out if Lisa still hadn't changed her clothes !! In saying that , it would be less of a fact that he was " walking out the door " and the intruders pushed him back in and thats how / when they entered !

Read this thread from the beginning. Your 2 questions have already been discussed in length.

[Ohio4life]

The Clarke family was not at Lisa's funeral. The Straubs kept it secret to keep them out however Lisa's ex did show up at the showing.