Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Duchess]

Just a reminder - the murders did not occur within the City of Toledo. The Mayor has no jurisdiction over the County Sheriff, who is handling the investigation because it occurred outside the City.

Thank you for that, I really hadn't taken that into consideration.

[shitstorm]

So, like someone said about Cops, there are good, there are bad, and there are the ugly, and then there are a few, like the ones I met while searching for my sister, who will give of themselves when everybody else had turned away or has fallen by the wayside or flat out just didn't care, and it is those few who are truly remarkable with what they do for someone they never even knew, and for no other reason than because it was their job, wow!

I've mentioned, here, that I followed the Smiley Face murder story for a while. Those murders have occurred all over the country, mostly in the midwest. The two detectives working that case are from New York City, both retired and using their own money. Incredible and amazing men.

[shitstorm]

My point was I understand how she feels about the lose of a child not just someone dear to me! I know its not about me and Im glad it isnt! Thanks tho I will NEVER mention my sons death again!

You mention whatever the fuck you want to, JsMom.

Agreed.

[Methusala]

Just a note about DNA. The latest statistics reflect that approximately 40%of births in the US occur outside of marriage. In almost all births outside of marriage, the assistance of the law is sought to either obtain government assistance to cover the costs of birthing expenses and living expenses and/or child support.

All such cases where government assistance by support or legal process is sought now require the taking of DNA from the mother, the child and the reputed father, even when the latter admits paternity (he sometimes turns out to be wrong!) and when more than one man is named, all the men are joined and required to submit to DNA. Usually by a simple buckle swab to the inside of the cheek.

Therefore, the DNA bank is growing larger by the day, and will soon likely include at least one person in the familial line for each member of the population.

In addition, if you have ever had any blood or tissue sample sent to a laboratory, a significant percentage are retained under slide. Which is just good medical practice, especially for example to follow the progress of so-called pre-cancer cells.

I do not consider any of this to be a so-called "invasion of privacy" simply because in each instance there is a triggering event which constitutes a legitimate waiver of the privilege, and it is leading and will continue to lead to many societal benefits, including the solving of cold case crimes, more convictions of persons rightfully accused of crime, more rapid convictions, less "pleading down" because of evidentiary problems, more innocent people being released from prisons or exonerated quicker in new cases, etc.

Thanks to DNA, many murderers now plead to first degree murder charges just to avoid the death penalty, in cases where the DA previously was willing to accept a plea to 2^nd degree or even manslaughter.

I am not connected with law enforcement and never have been. But I have a healthy interest in society and the laws.

[jenjen]

I read that Ohio just passed the law allowing DNA on arrest for a felony but that they do not have the funding in place. So new law not yet happening. But if the guilty party has already been convicted of a felony, Toledo is good to go.

In CA, DNA is taken after an arrest for a felony. And I always thought it was way messed up. Based solely on the fact that even the arrested are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Someone close to me was arrested on a BOGUS charge of cultivation (felony) (w/ a $75,000 bail posted by me) and the DA never filed charges. But yet DNA was taken. And I was out a couple of thousand bucks that went to Alladin.

But then I read in the news that this asswipe was arrested and charged with a horrendous murder all because of a DNA match made after an arrest for an unrelated felony.

http://crimevoice.com/dna-match-may-have...rder-3411/

They got the bastard and he will be held accountable.

So if someone close to me gets the DNA swab in a messed up situation, so be it. Stop getting yourself in messed-up situations.

TOTALLY agree with you Adub, it's a bullshit law...but, we're getting it.

Anyone in Ohio "ARRESTED" on a felony will have to submit to DNA as of July 1, 2011.
Here is a portion of the O.R.C.

LAW Writer® Ohio Laws and Rules Search ORC
» Title [29] XXIX CRIMES - PROCEDURE»

Chapter 2901: GENERAL PROVISIONS

2901.07 DNA specimen collection procedure.
(B)(1) On and after July 1, 2011, a person who is eighteen years of age or older and who is arrested on or after July 1, 2011, for a felony offense shall submit to a DNA specimen collection procedure administered by the head of the arresting law enforcement agency. The head of the arresting law enforcement agency shall cause the DNA specimen to be collected from the person during the intake process at the jail, community-based correctional facility, detention facility, or law enforcement agency office or station to which the arrested person is taken after the arrest. The head of the arresting law enforcement agency shall cause the DNA specimen to be collected in accordance with division © of this section.

(2) Regardless of when the conviction occurred or the guilty plea was entered, a person who has been convicted of, is convicted of, has pleaded guilty to, or pleads guilty to a felony offense , who is sentenced to a prison term or to a community residential sanction in a jail or community-based correctional facility for that offense pursuant to section 2929.16 of the Revised Code, and who does not provide a DNA specimen pursuant to division (B)(1) of this section, and a person who has been convicted of, is convicted of, has pleaded guilty to, or pleads guilty to a misdemeanor offense listed in division (D) of this section , who is sentenced to a term of imprisonment for that offense, and who does not provide a DNA specimen pursuant to division (B)(1) of this section, shall submit to a DNA specimen collection procedure administered by the director of rehabilitation and correction or the chief administrative officer of the jail or other detention facility in which the person is serving the term of imprisonment. If the person serves the prison term in a state correctional institution, the director of rehabilitation and correction shall cause the DNA specimen to be collected from the person during the intake process at the reception facility designated by the director. If the person serves the community residential sanction or term of imprisonment in a jail, a community-based correctional facility, or another county, multicounty, municipal, municipal-county, or multicounty-municipal detention facility, the chief administrative officer of the jail, community-based correctional facility, or detention facility shall cause the DNA specimen to be collected from the person during the intake process at the jail, community-based correctional facility, or detention facility. The DNA specimen shall be collected in accordance with division © of this section.


Personally, I have a problem with this law, taking DNA without conviction.

My husband had to shoot (didn't kill him) an uninvited person in our home. Although it was clearly self defense, my husband had wounds from the guy beating on him, he was initially charged with Felonious Assult . It never went to grand jury because the Prosecutor didn't wish to procede.

This is not the reporting officers fault, they can only write a report with the facts they have available at the time and, for whatever reason they felt a charge of felonious assult was warranted. HOWEVER, the Prosecutor felt differently, the evidence to convict wasn't there.

In my opinion, there's a BIG difference between a charge on a police report and a CONVICTION.

[eye.of.my]

So not sure if I missed it or not but has anyone read BA's fb? Maybe their relationship was more than "friends"?.JMO.

[van64]

Here is the Mayor's email addy...Michael P. Bell

[email protected]

I have emailed both Mayor Bell & the Sheriff's Dept. Thank you for the suggestion and the email addy.

Excellent idea; thanks for doing so.

[van64]

Hi Everyone. I've gone cross country to Kansas to visit my daughter who is beautiful and lives on her own. It's in the inter-city - cool and swanky their share of break-ins, etc. Johnny & Lisa tragedy have influenced all of us in such a profound way...we've got alarms on all the windows, motion lights, etc....so scary the "sick-o, psychopaths, tortuous, monsters out there and what their capable of"...

Yeah, Maytee deserves a pass -

I think along with everyone and everything and every theory we've discussed...I'm about at the point that I'm convinced that:

Maytee KNEW that he had been "doing business with some pretty heavy duty dudes" who were beyond dangerous - would slice someone up and think they deserved it for f*&%ing with them...the psychos thought "they deserved it - they should have known better than to f#@$with us" ,,,,(i.e. fronted drugs and didn't pay back, snitched, bad drug deal (killers bought the drugs and it was not pure, etc.)

It was none of Tiffany's group. My brother and his friends when in H.S. did heroin for a short time...they of course knew the "dealers"...they actually "liked" them...they were funny, sold it to be able to "use it free", etc....not the cream of socity mind you but people that could shower, go to a wedding of your bosses and they'd be okay...like Tiffany and her group...had a couple of brushes with the law, but basically were in the "style" of their culture , etc....then there were...

the ones that killed Lisa and Johnny. Blood thirsty sick-os in a drug cartel - some serious BIG TIME shit. Cut your throat as to look at you - don't pass off some bad shit to me - big amounts of $$$....kids way over their heads...

And the dumb ass cop that said that to the press knew that ....he didn't explain it properly.

Interesting analysis and easily possible it's more accurate than we have considered up to this point.

[WolfHouse]

It may take years, but they will catch them. Check this out in
today's news.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/03/...und&st=cse

[van64]

Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

[van64]

i'm not sure about Tiffany's facebook page, maybe someone else knows.

autopsy reports may not come out in their entirety until trial. they may contain information only the killers know, and are evidence.

Wouldnt it be easier for LE to release whom the DNA belongs to so everyone around the USA can be looking for the KILLER(S)? I would think it would help more then hurt! just wondering...

BUT BUT BUT, LE will not know who the DNA belongs to until it's matched up, right? And if it doesn't belong to any of the people who are known (Johnny, Lisa, family members) and LE can match it then you have your killer and they can be arrested...right?

[shitstorm]

Just a note about DNA. The latest statistics reflect that approximately 40%of births in the US occur outside of marriage. In almost all births outside of marriage, the assistance of the law is sought to either obtain government assistance to cover the costs of birthing expenses and living expenses and/or child support.

All such cases where government assistance by support or legal process is sought now require the taking of DNA from the mother, the child and the reputed father, even when the latter admits paternity (he sometimes turns out to be wrong!) and when more than one man is named, all the men are joined and required to submit to DNA. Usually by a simple buckle swab to the inside of the cheek.

Therefore, the DNA bank is growing larger by the day, and will soon likely include at least one person in the familial line for each member of the population.

In addition, if you have ever had any blood or tissue sample sent to a laboratory, a significant percentage are retained under slide. Which is just good medical practice, especially for example to follow the progress of so-called pre-cancer cells.

I do not consider any of this to be a so-called "invasion of privacy" simply because in each instance there is a triggering event which constitutes a legitimate waiver of the privilege, and it is leading and will continue to lead to many societal benefits, including the solving of cold case crimes, more convictions of persons rightfully accused of crime, more rapid convictions, less "pleading down" because of evidentiary problems, more innocent people being released from prisons or exonerated quicker in new cases, etc.

Thanks to DNA, many murderers now plead to first degree murder charges just to avoid the death penalty, in cases where the DA previously was willing to accept a plea to 2^nd degree or even manslaughter.

I am not connected with law enforcement and never have been. But I have a healthy interest in society and the laws.

The use of DNA to convict or exonerate is fine. The nanny state collecting it on people who don't have the intellectual capacity to understand their rights is another matter.

You sound like a collectivist believing in some "greater good" usurping the unalienable rights of the individual. I consider myself at war with that mentality. That's the mentality that exists in places like the UK. It is completely contrary to every principal that our founders held dear.

I do not consider any of this to be a so-called "invasion of privacy" simply because in each instance there is a triggering event which constitutes a legitimate waiver of the privilege...

Unalienable rights are not "privileges" doled out by the state. The state of Texas was caught surreptitiously collecting the DNA of newborns and they have been forced to destroy it. Parents thought the blood spots were just to check for diseases and did not consent to this big brother cataloguing of human beings as though they were the property of the state - or big pharma. Giving up ones unique life blueprint should be done by choice, not stealth.

[Adub]

Dang we could have watched Sherrif Shiavone live at the Springfield Township Meeting of the Trustees. I wonder how long it takes for them to get the video up? This link has video plus government contact info.

http://www.waycross.tv/Waycross23LIVE

[van64]

I concur!!!!

There are never enough good things said, about the Police, Firefighters and Service Members who put themselves in harms way, every day for our safety.

What does that say about us?

[/quote]

Perhaps the bad outweights the good?

[eye.of.my]

And not to get off subject but, there was another murder here in 2005 I think it was, it was a lasy named Cathy Barnett and a guy named Otto Smith. Well they found Otto and have still not found Cathy. They robbed and murdered a man in a Crown Inn hotel room and just vanished. This story has been pretty much a cold case file though family claims her body has been found wouldnt that be released somehow? And is anyone else familiar with it?

[van64]

yah maybe they dont! OK then, do u think in this case, that if they do FIND OUT whoms DNA it is they would make it public for the world to help find the murders? I know alot of cases they dont but this one being world wide so horrific and everyone involved they would?
[/quote]

Only if LE is unable to locate the suspects they have identified based on the DNA found at the home, then I would think they would make the suspects known so the public can help locate them. At least that makes sense to me and is how it SHOULD work.

[shitstorm]

In my opinion, there's a BIG difference between a charge on a police report and a CONVICTION. [/size][/color]

You're damn right there is.

[JsMom]

Is TW's facebook page public? i can't find the link anymore. My niece lives not to far from here and I tried to ask her about this and she shut down on me. She doesn't hang with too good of characters. I've been looking at her page and she has someone on it that recently created a facebook page in february that i'm almost positive i saw before on someone else's page that isn't there now. these are all blurring together.

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

TWs page was public at one point but is now set to private

[van64]

GeeZ, I just can NOT get over the manner in which this happened to these 2 beautiful and handsome kids! Tares me up inside! I can NOT even imagine how these parents fell knowing not only that they will never SEE, HOLD, TOUCH, TALK, SMELL their child anymore but they were took in such a horrific manner by the hands of another!!!!!!! I FEEL terrible for all the family and friends involved. just HEART SHATTERING!!

Agreed. It is surreal, is what it is. Then my mind begins to wondering just how it all played out...did Johnny or Lisa know any of the perps? Did the perps have a gun and held it on them pretty much instantly? At what point did Johnny and Lisa realize they were going to die? I think it's all this wondering about what happened next that tears me up inside too about this case, even though dead is dead. The perps must be found and brought to justice.

[van64]

Yesterday here someone mentioned that the Straubs were taking
furniture out of their house. Does that mean they were moving
out or just removing things that could have been damaged in
the scuffle and ransacking? Anyone know the exact story?

Have the Straubs been staying in the house all along? I have seen both postings. Someone early on indicated the Straubs were staying at the house because that's where Lisa spent the end of her life but I think someone recently posted that the Straubs had NOT been living in the house. I can see both sides of the coin. My biggest concern with a killer(s) on the loose and someone, anyone, living in the house is that the killers may decide that they missed the safe on the first go round and need to take a second look.