Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[onefortheroad]

We need some new news!

Yah we sure do! :( I know its bad on us but I sit back and think, Maytee must be goin crazy wanting to know something! I just wish others could have just a lil respect for her, and let her be. I guess they'll do what they wanna do tho.

MAYTEE~ ~dont let it get u down

The only news we all need to hear at this point is that the guilty parties have been arrested and sentenced to death for what they did.

I've been open-mouthed at exchanges on Justice the past few nights, and horrified by some of AP's comments - in particular, when he suggested Maytee go kill herself. He said he wouldn't speak badly about Johnny because he's not here to defend himself, but he shows his true character by his abusive treatment of Johnny's mother. Maybe someone should remind him how inappropriate his comments are to a mother who's grieving the loss of her child. The prince of darkness is definitely NO gentleman! IMO his lack of empathy could indicate some sociopathic tendencies. Sure, Maytee's been rattling some cages, but if AP was innocent, her accusations wouldn't be hitting a nerve like they are because he could deflect them with the truth. To me it's also noteworthy that he challenges Maytee on fairly trivial points, instead of simply coming out and saying she's pointing her finger at the wrong person.

For those of us thinking he is or might be guilty, based on the very limited information we have, how much more convinced would we be if we were in Maytee's shoes and knew everything she knows about his history with Johnny when they were in prison together. This could be a grudge that AP has carried for a long time for a myriad of reasons, e.g. Johnny reporting AP's mates for stealing his stuff, Johnny getting transferred to a better facility, or it could be down to simple jealousy when he saw Johnny making something of himself whereas his only 'achievement' was to impregnate the town bike - JMO

As for TW, she was probably jealous as hell of Lisa, who had everything she didn't - good looks, good home, good family, good man, and I think the picture we all saw of a clapped out TW ashing her cigarette over Lisa's head was very telling. AP's statement about him and TW not having friends is probably true. I think there may be some friends of Johnny & Lisa's whose horror at the crime and the type of people who could do such a thing has made them question their loyalties and lifestyles. I'm sure there are also people who would have been friends with TW & AP in the past who didn't fully realize what they're capable of and may no longer want to associate with them. I'm sure they wouldn't come right out and say that, but I'm guessing they don't have people lining up to party with them these days.

I'm going to add that this is JMO in case anyone thinks I've gone too far. I'm convinced these 2 know the truth about what happened that night, but my jury's still out on whether they participated or only arranged it.

[concerned]

The DNA is back. There is no match in the data base.

Kitty1, Can you verify the above?

Kitty1. Would you answer about how you know the DNA is back. I dont see LE telling anyone about that, not even the families....

Herrrreeee Kitty Kitty .....

It seems to me that kitty1 made mention of the DNA weeks go. And why would you think that the families were not kept up to date on the case?

It mentioned last night or the night before. Law enforcement isnt going to give that information to anyone. That would compromise the case. They will just start arresting. They might tell the family they have some solid leads. They dont give imparative information out. Period

[concerned]

Just to make myself clear... This forum is for opinions. I happen to know a little about LE. Why put that infomation out since the perps are probably reading everything. This is a brutal double homicide not a petty crime. I would like an answer on how Kitty1 has the DNA info.

[Adub]

i got this information off of a homicide investigation check list i will post the site next...Practical tips.

A. Call upon experienced investigators to assist.

B. Question thoroughly those concerned.

C. Be careful in questioning witnesses- they may turn to be principals in the crime.

D. Do not divulge critical information carelessly to witnesses - it may get back to the defense and you may end up with what you have told the witness instead of what he actually knows about the event.

E. Separate witnesses

F. Confer with your co-workers.

G. Cooperate with fellow officers

H. Be courteous and tactful.

I. Give constant attention to dissemination of pertinent information to other agencies.

J. Do no disclose valuable information to press or unauthorized persons.

If in fact there was no DNA match as of yet, then knowing that is not going to hurt the investigation. And if the families were pinning their hopes on some sort of DNA match, then I do not see why the detectives would withhold that info from them.

The other thing we have heard here, off the record, is that someone passed their poly with flying colors.

I see no reason to believe that either member here would be making up shit to post. But then I have found both of them to be helpful and pretty direct in who they are are and how they are connected to Toledo.

And I know from personal experience that detectives do reveal information to witnesses if it might produce a desired result. For instance they will tell one witness what another witness said to get a reaction. And they sometimes lie.

[onefortheroad]

Just to make myself clear... This forum is for opinions. I happen to know a little about LE. Why put that infomation out since the perps are probably reading everything. This is a brutal double homicide not a petty crime. I would like an answer on how Kitty1 has the DNA info.

I'd like to know too.

[concerned]

i got this information off of a homicide investigation check list i will post the site next...Practical tips.

A. Call upon experienced investigators to assist.

B. Question thoroughly those concerned.

C. Be careful in questioning witnesses- they may turn to be principals in the crime.

D. Do not divulge critical information carelessly to witnesses - it may get back to the defense and you may end up with what you have told the witness instead of what he actually knows about the event.

E. Separate witnesses

F. Confer with your co-workers.

G. Cooperate with fellow officers

H. Be courteous and tactful.

I. Give constant attention to dissemination of pertinent information to other agencies.

J. Do no disclose valuable information to press or unauthorized persons.

If in fact there was no DNA match as of yet, then knowing that is not going to hurt the investigation. And if the families were pinning their hopes on some sort of DNA match, then I do not see why the detectives would withhold that info from them.

The other thing we have heard here, off the record, is that someone passed their poly with flying colors.

I see no reason to believe that either member here would be making up shit to post. But then I have found both of them to be helpful and pretty direct in who they are are and how they are connected to Toledo.

And I know from personal experience that detectives do reveal information to witnesses if it might produce a desired result. For instance they will tell one witness what another witness said to get a reaction. And they sometimes lie.

They also say the have nothing when they have something. Also I never stated anyone was making shit up.State your opinion. Do not put words in my mouth. I stated I would like an answer to a statement made yesterday. I am not the only one asking. LC asked also and didnt get an amswer. Please refer to post from yesterday

[concerned]

Adub, please take no offense....

[Adub]

Adub, please take no offense....

I'm not taking any offense. I just don't see you getting an answer to your question. And I do not see that it matters. And I did read it here weeks ago. And it was discussed at that time. That's all. Besides, most here know where the info came from, imo.

[Miss Conspiracy]

here's something we haven't seen. A pic of Lisa and Maytee. Really sweet pic

[Miss Conspiracy]

More of Johnny & Lisa..

beautiful couple! RIP



pretty lisa

[JsMom]

here's something we haven't seen. A pic of Lisa and Maytee. Really sweet pic

This picture is sooo precious

[JsMom]

More of Johnny & Lisa..

beautiful couple! RIP



pretty lisa

Rest In Heaven Johnny && Lisa

[heartbreaker6713]

I was watching the movie bad boys and there is a bathroom scene where one of the guys in the drug cartel comes up behind and uses a plastic bag to try to suffocate the cop as he stands at the urinal. Just a random thought. This movie has been playing for a while on repeat during the time i believe. I'm not saying I think the person(s) that did this may have watched the movie and went i'm gonna do that, but you never know if they watched it recently and if things got out of control...idk, just a thought.

[ilovefireflies]

Not sure if this has already been covered, but does anyone know how Johnny and Lisa met? From many of the interviews that have been posted online, it doesn't appear as though they had the same circle of friends. In one I read, the girl claimed to be one of Lisa's closest friends, yet she had never met Johnny. After having dated for 2+ years, I find that odd.

R.I.P. Johnny & Lisa

[NightOwl]

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Yes, that is what Maytee believes. But, what if it really isn't AG and TW making pages? I mean, anyone can make a facebook page and say they are someone else. It only takes 3 minutes.

which is one reason why i haven't allowed all those facebook names here. the fool JOW, for example, who used her real name to impersonate a police officer, hasn't got the IQ of a turnip.

Thats a good one (IQ of a turnip) LOL

[concerned]

Adub, please take no offense....

I'm not taking any offense. I just don't see you getting an answer to your question. And I do not see that it matters. And I did read it here weeks ago. And it was discussed at that time. That's all. Besides, most here know where the info came from, imo.

Since I know for a fact DNA testing did not happen til a few weeks ago, if you read the post from yesterday that is when she posted that the DNA was back and there was no match. If you read further she didnt respond to the post from LC, myself and other on where she got that information. Is her answer to our question on how she know important to us. Well, it is to me. It bothers me that she has not responded. It bothers me putting that type of imformation out there. I stand firm LE would answer "no" even if the true answer is "yes". I also feel since my brother and I have a connection with Lisas family that she has stated she is family and is stating these things which before she dangled a "hook" on Mock stating she had information she just couldnt tell

[NightOwl]

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This is just an observation but don't both of them seem uncharacteristically calm? AG is not even typing in his gangsta talk and Maytee sounds much as well sounds very different. There isn't much threats and name calling being thrown around.. which is nice. I'm very curious now of AG/TW's relationship with DB... how the hell do AG/TW "HAVE NO FRIENDS" when there are plenty of group photos with those 2 in them???

Funny, when my brother was in trouble with the law a few years back, he would suddenly say he "Had No Friends" too. Once he dealt with things, he was back hanging with his friends....
My guess is that Maytee is right, AG and TW are starting to feel the heat and are consoled by the fact that they have one another to lean on. They don't know who to trust anymore, so they are just sticking together. Plus, only they know the truth about that night, and the closer he stays to her, the more control he has to convince her to keep quiet. They are pissed at their "friends" or former friends, or whatever you want to call them because they know someone called crimestopper on them and since they aren't sure who, so they're saying "fucc em all." (my attempt at writing gangsta - lol).
Of course, this is all just theory....(mine)
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Interesting observations - all seems a bit contrary plenty of photographs but, no friends. Your gangsta talk LOL

[concerned]

I know alot that I dont share so I'm very skeptical about things that are written and I want to be sure of the information put on here. When numerous people ask the same question without getting an answer it makes me wonder

[kitty1]

Just to make myself clear... This forum is for opinions. I happen to know a little about LE. Why put that infomation out since the perps are probably reading everything. This is a brutal double homicide not a petty crime. I would like an answer on how Kitty1 has the DNA info.

I'd like to know too.

I don't understand why everyone is just now asking me this?? I posted about the DNA a week or so ago.

[NightOwl]

here's something we haven't seen. A pic of Lisa and Maytee. Really sweet pic

This picture is sooo precious

My Gosh this is a wonderful photograph of Lisa & Maytee - Maytee looks so young and they both look so happy - you've done a grand job Miss Conspiracy!