Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[fabulous]

it seems lately people have gotten kinda nasty towards one another.... the tone has changed.
I wonder if that would stop some people from posting right now. these last ten or so pages were rough!

[JsMom]

THAT is the problem! Too many people from the suburbs, not enough people from the hood! We need the insight of people from the hood, particulary the hood where this cast of characters comes from!

Yah u r right............Where the hood niggas at???

We have one.... or one closely affiliated. Let's not chase them off eh? Not directed specifically at you JsMom, but all people in general.

we wouldnt run fallin off....she is very welcomed here!

[heartbreaker6713]

Im not sure about anyone else but I feel a lil pissy about Fallin bein scurred and TEASIN ME

Someone mentioned "people from outta state" not knowing about the suburb life, WELL I DO I was born and raised in Wayne Michigan!

Yup and i may not live in Detroit any more but from 8 to 18 i was raised there. So i think i have a pretty good idea how it goes down.

[Freshbait78]

Yup and i may not live in Detroit any more but from 8 to 18 i was raised there. So i think i have a pretty good idea how it goes down.

From the age of 5-22 I lived in the area the Johnny lived in. It's been 10+ years ago since I've moved so I know somewhat how it goes down (unfortunatly) but in 10 years times change & I would LOVE to hear from someone in their age range, who knows people that we've talked about, who still lives in the area. That was my point. No disrespect to the older crowd or people from the burbs. I'd just like to have some perspective from someone closely related to the age group & area. Let's all kiss & make up

[JsMom]

Yup and i may not live in Detroit any more but from 8 to 18 i was raised there. So i think i have a pretty good idea how it goes down.

Let's all kiss & make up

lol

Fallin "where are u?"

[NightOwl]

Everything is leaning towards the south side - what if no one is involved from there? The duct tape prints should tell us who it is, Hell AG has to know prints on duct tape and he's out - away to the death chamber! Are Tiff and her crew do you think that dumb they'd let this happen? This is my opinion only.

[Freshbait78]

Everything is leaning towards the south side - what if no one is involved from there? The duct tape prints should tell us who it is, Hell AG has to know prints on duct tape and he's out - away to the death chamber! Are Tiff and her crew do you think that dumb they'd let this happen? This is my opinion only.

Maybe they think they're so smart that their stupid? Maybe they wore gloves to avoid fingerprints. Not latex... I'm thinking leather. It was winter, wearing gloves makes sense. As for the attention being focused on the southside.... I believe this was carried out by people who knew JC & LS. Not a stranger. The logical place to look, is for me, in the southside.

[heartbreaker6713]

Yup and i may not live in Detroit any more but from 8 to 18 i was raised there. So i think i have a pretty good idea how it goes down.

From the age of 5-22 I lived in the area the Johnny lived in. It's been 10+ years ago since I've moved so I know somewhat how it goes down (unfortunatly) but in 10 years times change & I would LOVE to hear from someone in their age range, who knows people that we've talked about, who still lives in the area. That was my point. No disrespect to the older crowd or people from the burbs. I'd just like to have some perspective from someone closely related to the age group & area. Let's all kiss & make up

Oh i wasn't take it badly towards anyone I was just saying that I understand how things go and it wasn't that long ago that I moved away from Detroit. I still go back pretty often to visit my family that live there and all my friends that live there as well. I am very glad that I got "out" of there and for a quick minute was recently thinking of moving back for family reasons.

[onefortheroad]

Everything is leaning towards the south side - what if no one is involved from there? The duct tape prints should tell us who it is, Hell AG has to know prints on duct tape and he's out - away to the death chamber! Are Tiff and her crew do you think that dumb they'd let this happen? This is my opinion only.

I guess it would depend on whether they expected Johnny to be in the house during the robbery. If they knew he was there and were robbing him to 'teach him a lesson', let's say, prints on the duct tape wouldn't matter because J & L would know the robbers' identities. The prints would only become important after the murder. If the murders weren't part of the original plan, the perps may not have been concerned about prints but only in restraining their victims, and following the murders their main goal was probably to get out of there as quick as they could and the thought of prints might not have occurred to them.

The more I hear about AP, the more vicious he sounds, and the most likely person to have done this because TW was involved. I also find it very interesting that he and MY list each other as "brother". A vicious thug and a little weed who legally killed in Iraq and got himself tattooed with a gun a couple days after the murder, hmmmmm...

[NightOwl]

Everything is leaning towards the south side - what if no one is involved from there? The duct tape prints should tell us who it is, Hell AG has to know prints on duct tape and he's out - away to the death chamber! Are Tiff and her crew do you think that dumb they'd let this happen? This is my opinion only.

Maybe they think they're so smart that their stupid? Maybe they wore gloves to avoid fingerprints. Not latex... I'm thinking leather. It was winter, wearing gloves makes sense. As for the attention being focused on the southside.... I believe this was carried out by people who knew JC & LS. Not a stranger. The logical place to look, is for me, in the southside.

I do agree it is not a stranger - leather gloves would be bad no prints then - your answers do make sense though! Motive is what we need!
I think Maytee mentioned Johnny and Lisa were hit in a car by a drunk driver she almost lost Johnny and Lisa then she said - wonder what car that was? Maytee would have mentioned Johnny was selling a car. Don't know. Falling mentioned $800 - could be a yarn who knows.

[Miss Conspiracy]

Hi falling, welcome.
Please continue to post here, people will be respectful. Is it mainly because you are afraid of people finding you out? You do not have to reveal "too much." Anyway just wondering since you said that Johnny had sold TW a car then sold it to someone else, do you know if he returned the money to her? I know that TW did not have a car and by all accounts neither did Johnny at the time of the murders, i believed he went and picked Lisa up in her car. So it does seem he did sell his car. Seems kind of weird that they'd be hanging out after that, unless he did return the money and things were all good.

As someone else here said, AG is starting to sound very violent & scary and it really makes me wonder. I have gone back & forth about him so many times that I cannot think straight anymore. The only shred of hope I have right now is that there are fingerprints on the tape cuz we all know AG & co. have been fingerprinted.

I wonder if Maytee can clear up the rumor about the car

[shitstorm]

First off let me just say that I grew up in Johnny's neighborhood. (south side toledo) I knew of him but did not know him personally. I also knew of lisa but did not know her personally. Let me say there are some things I know about him and her that I don't feel comfortable sharing with you but I will share other things.
Last year April 22 2010 I was in jail with TW boyfriend AG's ex girlfriend. She was there because of TW baby daddy getting shot and killed at her apartment. AG and his girlfriend at the time were dealing Heroin. I believe AG is still dealing heroin. I dont think this is too relevant but just wanted to add that here.
All of my friends are from south side so this is how I know all this...
After TW baby daddy got shot and AG got out of jail TW got with AG. My friend was also at a party when TW went to this party with a male....AG found out and was PISSED...came to the house party and started robbing everyone that was there at gun point and started shootin the gun at TW head...my point...AG is CRAZY.
Heard a rumor that johnny was selling his car to TW and she paid him 800 dollars for it and he went around and sold the car to someone else....Motive maybe? 800 dollars is a come up depending on who you are....I also know more but this is all RUMORS i have heard from the neighborhood...just wanted to put it out there.

Good, juicy, post.

[NightOwl]

The more I hear about AP, the more vicious he sounds, and the most likely person to have done this because TW was involved. I also find it very interesting that he and MY list each other as "brother". A vicious thug and a little weed who legally killed in Iraq and got himself tattooed with a gun a couple days after the murder, hmmmmm...

Yes, onefortheroad interesting post but, I thought LE did not have a Motive for this awful crime - then what lesson did they want to teach Johnny? Not sure on the first paragraph. The quote here about AG or AP definately not my cup of tea - I'm not certain on him yet - yes I gather MPY his old title now MY he's a brother they must have the same mother - this MY though seems to be clean as a whistle - he served in our military and I think he's keen on his car. I think he's out of it. Heck if I know why they want Gun Tattoos.

[NightOwl]

DickTracy, do you have a copy of the RIP where Maytee stated Johnny and Lisa were in a car accident with a drunk driver and she almost lost them both that night? I think it also said there that Lisa moved in right away when they first met. If you've got it DickTracy can you post it - appreciate that.

[shitstorm]

The more I hear about AP, the more vicious he sounds, and the most likely person to have done this because TW was involved. I also find it very interesting that he and MY list each other as "brother". A vicious thug and a little weed who legally killed in Iraq and got himself tattooed with a gun a couple days after the murder, hmmmmm...

Yes, onefortheroad interesting post but, I thought LE did not have a Motive for this awful crime - then what lesson did they want to teach Johnny? Not sure on the first paragraph. The quote here about AG or AP definately not my cup of tea - I'm not certain on him yet - yes I gather MPY his old title now MY he's a brother they must have the same mother - this MY though seems to be clean as a whistle - he served in our military and I think he's keen on his car. I think he's out of it. Heck if I know why they want Gun Tattoos.

He said, on his own FB page, that he liked getting to kill legally while in Iraq. The guy is a psycho.

[shitstorm]

I can see how falling sky has to be careful. We and the mods might not know who who she is, but the hoodrats reading here do.

[Miss Conspiracy]

I can see how falling sky has to be careful. We and the mods might not know who who she is, but the hoodrats reading here do.

yeah, same here. I know some have said they cannot be ID'd on Mock. But falling has already said some things that can easily be traced back to her as to her identity. I can see why she has to be careful.

[Lady Cop]

I can see how falling sky has to be careful. We and the mods might not know who who she is, but the hoodrats reading here do.

and WHO exactly put herself out here with her claims of inside info? and practically IDed herself by saying who she was in jail with?

[WolfHouse]

I can see how falling sky has to be careful. We and the mods might not know who who she is, but the hoodrats reading here do.

AND........someone could be 'setting up' or pretending to be this
individual. I don't buy it for a moment. If the person is frightened,
why place themselves at a certain spot on a certain day and year?
I smell a fish.

SEDONDLY......The phrase 'the sky is falling' refers to the story by Aarne-Thompson-Uther type 20C, which includes international examples of folktales that make light of paranoia and mass hysteria.[1]

[Adub]

Besides, if she has inside information she needs to call crimestopper.