Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[heartbreaker6713]

OFF topic: this timing out thing and going back messes up the quote function i apologize

[LVShortySpice]

[quote='Freshbait78' pid='150058' dateline='1301319038']
I still don't like that I have people like this living around me. Would you?

People like that don't live in my 'hood nor are they found in my social circle. This thread is as close as I'll ever get to that particular element of society.

I'm sure the Petits & Spaders thought the same. My point is, I do have to live along side people like this so I WILL judge them accordingly. The fact of the matter is TW prides herself on being a gutter bitch & AG wants to be known as someone you don't want to fuck with. Something tells me they'd be delighted in the majoritys opinions of them. It would mean to them that they're doing their job & building the reputation that they are, who they want to be known to be.

There’s a lot of sick f-ckers in this world and not all of them live in the hood. I used to live in rural part of Merced, California in the San Joaquin Valley. Nothing but almond tree’s, cattle ranches, and farms as far as the eyes could see. Google Merced Pitchfork Murders…those were my neighbors kids. No neighborhood is immune to crime that I know of.

[fabulous]

well...I'm local. no arrests yet. I've checked booking at the jail. nothing.

[Miss Conspiracy]

I wouldn’t say I am trying and convicting anyone yet. I still don’t know if TW and AG actively participated in the killing but I do think at the very least, they know who did ~ and I admit that I could very well be completely wrong. I mean, hey I thought OJ did it too! As to the “dirt”, I am basing my opinion of them on comments from AG and TW themselves:

From AG who a Mocker described as “articulate” :

[color=#FF4500]AG: im a suspect cuz in my past i liked other peoples money

AG: u dont want none of these problems sweety ..u or ur peoples... i can make u famous.,....jump out ur bushes n put some hot shit in u

AG: born thuggin n lovin the way i came up...N THATZ REAL. In the event of my demise, when my heart beats no more, i know i will die for a cause or a belief that i lived for" so yea i dont fear dying cause i know i will be buried a G[/color

So when its all said and done, whether they are involved or not, I don’t think either of them are any great contribution to society and I wouldn’t be overly saddened to see either of them “buried a G” OR a Gutta Bitch.

I did say AG was articulate, from my private conversations with him.. however, someone on here said that these people are "master manipulators" which I now agree is DAMN RIGHT! And I fell into it. AP is now a suspect in my eyes.

[Miss Conspiracy]

Jury selection is gonna be a biaatch

Not to mention how hard it will be for the families to hear exactly what happened, and how they suffered. I just don't know if I could subject myself to all that if I was the parent, sibling or friend. *sigh*

I don't think the family will know exactly what happened, because the people they arrest are gonna deny it til the day they die.

[shitstorm]

With any luck, one the other hoodrats will kill him and do society a favor.

You people don't even know if he's any worse than the kids that got murdered for fucks sake. If I spent the kind of time online as some of you do I'm sure I could come up with enough info to show Johnny & Lisa in a negative light too. These kids weren't angels but because they were killed in such a vicious fashion everyone is making them out to be. Given they probably knew their killers would imply they were part of the very same element.

Hey, we're at YOUR forum. I thought you wanted that?

I've never said that the victims were angels. Lisa seemed to be out of her league. She wasn't an ex con like Johnny or AP. Not too bright, most likely, but no indication she was a violent criminal.

[Miss Conspiracy]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.

[Nina]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.

I think it will be solved. In fact, I'd be surprised if LE doesn't already know who was involved. My guess is that they are just trying to find the proof they need to build a solid case with no mistakes before they start making arrests since this is such a big case, in Toledo anyway.

[Duchess]

I believe they are already thinking ahead to jury selection.

[fabulous]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.

unsolved...

[heartbreaker6713]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.

I think it will be solved. It takes time for DNA and fingerprints to come back. And even though it seems like it's been for forever, it's been just about 8 weeks and i think someone put up a chart that showed an average of turn around time that this case is still right in that time frame still. Even if the DNA (whether it has come back or not) isn't currently in the system it will be ran every week to see if it matches someone. I am confident that someone will talk and I really think that LE because of the type of people they are dealing with what to make sure they have everything lined up so when they bring this person(s) in that, it's air tight. I think LE wants to make sure that they don't make any more errors and have someone get off on a technicality.

[BlueTiki]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

unsolved...

Is your prediction based upon your confidence level with LE?

[Freshbait78]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.

I already have it solved j/k I think this case will be solved without a doubt

[shitstorm]

I'm the devil's advocate today.

That's good. Earlier in this thread I wrote about the presumption of innocence and all of the innocent people who have gone to death row because they "looked" guilty and because LE and the justice system are so corrupt. I haven't seen anything that convinces me about who killed J&S. Just a bunch of sleazy characters.

I would refuse to serve on any murder case jury in Ohio because I oppose the death penalty. That said, if these dirtbags kill each other off we're lucky. They seem to do it pretty frequently, anyway.

When I read the exchange between AP and Maytee, last night, my impression changed about him. He isn't nearly as crazy as she is and he was articulate. I believe him when he says he's "old school" and would not snitch. I respect that in a weird way. I hate snitches, too. I actually felt sad when I read that stuff. He talked about not having any friends and he talked about his weird sense of honor in his criminal world. I actually kind of liked him. Then, I had to remind myself that he's threatened to kill people and "make them famous". I believe he'd do it. Would he kill people by putting bags over their heads? He says no and that may be right. He seemed disgusted with that manner of murder and called it cowardly. After reading all that I think if he had a grievance with someone he'd shoot them.

[Duchess]

Much of this thread reminds me of the witch hunts back in the day. I'm not so quick to write people off and I'm not a believer in if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck bullshit either. I have to have rock solid proof, not just a "thought". Truth IS stranger than fiction, I know that to be fact.

[shitstorm]

The night that TW joined Mock, TW was also having a fb conversation with a fb "friend" named AA. It was not a nice conversation. I believe that it was posted here the next day. If you go to this "friends" fb page she posts in ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME. So maybe she is AGs ex.....

I don't think that AA is AGs ex. I was looking through her statuses & she talks about her baby daddy who she says she was with for 7 years. They have 3 kids together & split up last May but still "hook up" to this day. His initials are R.S.

I don't think all three are his. And she is having #4 in May. Not his for sure. She sure does go through cars. So I'm still at maybe...

I think you're right about A being his ex. Her name was mentioned in the FB fight between AP and Maytee and he didn't indicate that she wasn't.

[shitstorm]

I don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

You're absolutely right, you don't...but don't ever expect to be given that yourself & you sure as hell better not cry when you don't get it.

I would certainly expect it in a court of law, and if I was being fingered online for something I didn't do, I'd damn well be there to give my side.

I have ZERO faith in the justice system or juries. The system is corrupt and too many people are stupid. Anyone who goes to trial in this case (if that ever happens) will "look guilty" just because of their sleazebag lives. Prosecutors and juries love hanging somebody and they do it to innocent people all the time.

[fabulous]

Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?

unsolved...

Is your prediction based upon your confidence level with LE?

partly yes...and based on some other factors too.
I agree wholeheartedly with shitshtorm.... I'm just not seeing anything with the alphabet soup crew (AG, MM, BC, TW, XYZ) that has convinced me that they killed our victims.
thugs- yes
criminal- HELL to the yes
menace to society's- of course!
but nothing that would convince me that this cast of characters would kill JC&LS

I work in the system (I don't want to give away too much of myself here)...but there are some other "high profile" cases that are local, that have been in the media as of late. DNA and fingerprints and all that scientific stuff is back on those cases. so it doesn't make sense that "it's not back on this case." we've heard NOTHING.... other than the "rumor" that the DNA is back and there were no hits. knowing what I know about other things...that makes complete sense. I actually completely believe that.

I think this case is "bigger" -for lack of better words- than these south end thugs are able to pull off. I think it's pretty clear that they'd beat, rob or kill ya- but probably do it with a gun.

[d505]

can anyone post jc or Ls's last ten comments they made on fb? Can anyone post the last ten posts ag or tw made on fb prior january 31^st?

[Adub]

No