Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Older Than Dirt]

Just to be clear, just the first part of previous post was from Channel 11! The question and comment about the Blade was channel Dirt Lady!!

[Lady Cop]

my replies in green

Williams' attorneys wanted to withdraw the motion. Judge Mandros did not make any rulings because he wanted to be sure the defendant was completely understanding everything that was taking place. The Judge told Williams that he needs to meet with his lawyers so that they can make everything perfectly clear to him. LC, can you explain what's going on here? Why would Atty. want him to withdraw the motion? not sure dear. unless he is trying not to ask for shit that he knows will be allowed anyway. in a DP case, the Judge is going to bend over backwards to extend all possible consideration to defendant. Also we have had 2 or 3 homicides THIS year. (yes, they are in toledo is a shithole thread) I don't think the Blade can report on all crime here. They would have to add a separate crime this is a notorious case they are obligated to follow! section!!!! THIS FROM CHANNEL 11 channel Dirt Lady!! my favorite!

[truth be told]

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Something that has been bothering me since the very begining of this case. Maytee, when she made the first 9-11 call her heart was beating out of her chest and she was so worried about Johnny and that something bad has happened to him. Well, big John was at the house twice and Maytee once before kicking in the door...."why not just use the key that she knows where is hidden to get into the garge?" Watch the video @4:15 and you can see Maytee explaining how she believes the killers got inside.

"I want to know if they've been abducted by whoever tried to assault and rob them" @7;25 from the 9-11 call. (I smell involvement)

[FourOneNine]

First time I ever watched that video above but she knows more. First, she is looking all over the place, mainly looking down and just looks like she knows more. The second thing she says that Lisa's car is in the garage, how could you possibly know this if the door is closed? Couldn't they have just gone somewhere in her car? Third, if you knew so much about this fucking key why wouldn't you have used it and entered the house that way right away?

First time watching that video but seems like she knows more about this.

[Methusala]

First time I ever watched that video above but she knows more. First, she is looking all over the place, mainly looking down and just looks like she knows more. The second thing she says that Lisa's car is in the garage, how could you possibly know this if the door is closed? Couldn't they have just gone somewhere in her car? Third, if you knew so much about this fucking key why wouldn't you have used it and entered the house that way right away?

First time watching that video but seems like she knows more about this.

Just to play Devil's Advocate here:

• Have you all considered the possibility that Maytee is just a mouthy, hysterical, obnoxious ex-con woman who had nothing to do with her son's death?

• Could there be a window in the garage door or in the side wall of the garage through which they might have looked and verified that Lisa's car was still inside?

• If you had just heard that Johnny had confronted intruders while on the phone and you feared the worst, would you disturb a crime scene to go fetch and handle the key in the garage? Or if that's a stretch, if you believed that intruders had entered with that key, would you really think that said intruders would have taken the time to carefully put the key back in its place in the garage before leaving?

[Adub]

As far as the key in the garage goes, I think Maytee heard about it, I don't think she witnessed kids using it at all. Maytee makes up shit to support her cause. Maytee had a week before this interview with JVM to gather all kinds of information, such as the stuff about Lisa's ex.

The fact that she knew the address (the exact house number) the night of the murders concerns me more.

So, Williams is challenging his in-custody statements. From the latest court document, Williams was read his rights, said he wanted to call an attorney, then engaged the detectives in conversation. He was read his rights, and didn't STFU. Imo, that should be an easy ruling for the Judge. The police only interviewed him for a little over an hour before booking him.

[Methusala]

…So, Williams is challenging his in-custody statements. From the latest court document, Williams was read his rights, said he wanted to call an attorney, then engaged the detectives in conversation. He was read his rights, and didn't STFU. Imo, that should be an easy ruling for the Judge. The police only interviewed him for a little over an hour before booking him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

Assertion

If the defendant asserts his right to remain silent all interrogation must immediately stop and the police may not resume the interrogation unless the police have “scrupulously honored” the defendant’s assertion and obtain a valid waiver before resuming the interrogation.[49] In determining whether the police “scrupulously honored” the assertion the courts apply a totality of the circumstances test. The most important factors are the length of time between termination of original interrogation and commencement of the second and a fresh set of Miranda warnings before resumption of interrogation.

The consequences of assertion of Fifth Amendment right to counsel are stricter.[50] The police must immediately cease all interrogation and the police cannot reinitiate interrogation unless counsel is present (merely consulting with counsel is insufficient) or the defendant of his own volition contacts the police.[51] If the defendant does reinitiate contact, a valid waiver must be obtained before interrogation may resume.

In Berghuis v. Thompkins, the Court ruled that a suspect must clearly and unambiguously assert right to silence. Merely remaining silent in face of protracted questioning is insufficient to assert right.

On the other hand:

The Miranda rule does not prohibit compelling a person to engage in non-assertive conduct that is incriminating or may produce incriminating evidence. Thus, requiring a suspect to participate in identification procedures such as giving handwriting[19] or voice exemplars,[20] fingerprints, DNA samples, hair samples, and dental impressions is not within the Miranda rule. Such physical or real evidence is non-testimonial and not protected by the Fifth Amendment self-incrimination clause

It is typically during such "non-assertive conduct" that a person will "re-initiate contact" and start blabbing.

[FourOneNine]

First time I ever watched that video above but she knows more. First, she is looking all over the place, mainly looking down and just looks like she knows more. The second thing she says that Lisa's car is in the garage, how could you possibly know this if the door is closed? Couldn't they have just gone somewhere in her car? Third, if you knew so much about this fucking key why wouldn't you have used it and entered the house that way right away?

First time watching that video but seems like she knows more about this.

Just to play Devil's Advocate here:

• Have you all considered the possibility that Maytee is just a mouthy, hysterical, obnoxious ex-con woman who had nothing to do with her son's death?

• Could there be a window in the garage door or in the side wall of the garage through which they might have looked and verified that Lisa's car was still inside?

• If you had just heard that Johnny had confronted intruders while on the phone and you feared the worst, would you disturb a crime scene to go fetch and handle the key in the garage? Or if that's a stretch, if you believed that intruders had entered with that key, would you really think that said intruders would have taken the time to carefully put the key back in its place in the garage before leaving?

First two points are fair.

The third though you think she would have at least looked for it. They sure didn't care about disturbing a crime scene when they busted down the door and tried to see if they were alive or whatever when they went it. Good points though.

[Adub]

Just to play Devil's Advocate here:

• Have you all considered the possibility that Maytee is just a mouthy, hysterical, obnoxious ex-con woman who had nothing to do with her son's death?

• Could there be a window in the garage door or in the side wall of the garage through which they might have looked and verified that Lisa's car was still inside?

• If you had just heard that Johnny had confronted intruders while on the phone and you feared the worst, would you disturb a crime scene to go fetch and handle the key in the garage? Or if that's a stretch, if you believed that intruders had entered with that key, would you really think that said intruders would have taken the time to carefully put the key back in its place in the garage before leaving?

First two points are fair.

The third though you think she would have at least looked for it. They sure didn't care about disturbing a crime scene when they busted down the door and tried to see if they were alive or whatever when they went it. Good points though.

The key was for the door leading into the house from the garage. Evidently the outside garage door was down when the police showed up. But, there are still a lot of unknowns.

[Adub]

…So, Williams is challenging his in-custody statements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

In Berghuis v. Thompkins, the Court ruled that a suspect must clearly and unambiguously assert right to silence.

Good thing the detectives got it all on dvd. It will make the Judge's job easier. I do think the detectives blind-sided Williams with the murder charges.

Evidently, they took him in to interrogate him on an earlier domestic violence incident. But it was all a ruse? So Williams was confused?

I noticed that the word "intelligent" is part of past court rulings in Miranda cases. Seeing as Williams consistently needs more time to have his attorneys explain everything to him, maybe he is slow at processing information.

[FourOneNine]

Just to play Devil's Advocate here:

• Have you all considered the possibility that Maytee is just a mouthy, hysterical, obnoxious ex-con woman who had nothing to do with her son's death?

• Could there be a window in the garage door or in the side wall of the garage through which they might have looked and verified that Lisa's car was still inside?

• If you had just heard that Johnny had confronted intruders while on the phone and you feared the worst, would you disturb a crime scene to go fetch and handle the key in the garage? Or if that's a stretch, if you believed that intruders had entered with that key, would you really think that said intruders would have taken the time to carefully put the key back in its place in the garage before leaving?

First two points are fair.

The third though you think she would have at least looked for it. They sure didn't care about disturbing a crime scene when they busted down the door and tried to see if they were alive or whatever when they went it. Good points though.

The key was for the door leading into the house from the garage. Evidently the outside garage door was down when the police showed up. But, there are still a lot of unknowns.

I had figured it was a key a door into the garage and the door from the garage to the house was just unlocked. I know a lot of people who do that and just figured it was like that.

[Lady Cop]

Adub: Seeing as Williams consistently needs more time to have his attorneys explain everything to him, maybe he is slow at processing information.

Adub's comment led me to ask someone who would know whether williams is a bit slow on the uptake, low IQ, incompetent. i was told no, he is not incompetent.
but, and this is my guess and based on only my experience with the defense lawyers' tango...i wonder if his lawyer is setting the stage for an 'incompetent to stand trial motion'? casey's shylocks tried that.
you cannot be executed if your IQ is below 70, but that requires a precise medical/clinical evaluation. so next best thing is client is incompetent. psychologists/psychiatrists would still be required. watch for motion for mental eval.
that's only a wild surmise in my fevered brain.
we'll see.

[Older Than Dirt]

LC, your experience is the reason I just love being here! Can't imagine what it would be like with out you ! This sort of post usually leads to the suck up posts!!! hahaha

[lacypannies74]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?i...1432044037
mother of cameos spawn 3 of them i believe (mw)

http://www.facebook.com/media/albums/?id...sha.lynne1 this one is to be believed mother of 1 spawn this one is the one posting on cameos page for people to write him in jail

http://www.facebook.com/media/albums/?id...=671038452 this is a baby mama also she has 1 kid with cameo

just a bit of info for the brain

[NightOwl]

Update to post #19199 The Rival Pizza Robbery in Toledo, Ohio the younger one Jacob H was released to-day looks like the charges were dropped completely against him however, Benjamin S will be sentenced 26^th of January for the robbery.

[Lady Cop]

post in Toledo is a shithole thread please.


http://mockforums.net/post-213773.html#pid213773

[timeout]

I have a suggestion, let's just assume that Williams is slow and it takes him longer to comprehend things, therefore when they execute him, let's do a nice slow painful death so he can fully understand the consequences of his actions.

[Duchess]

I have a suggestion, let's just assume that Williams is slow and it takes him longer to comprehend things, therefore when they execute him, let's do a nice slow painful death so he can fully understand the consequences of his actions.

*high five*

[JsMom]

Love that idea, TimeOut That's exactly what these good for nothing muthas need!

[Snoopy]

I have a suggestion, let's just assume that Williams is slow and it takes him longer to comprehend things, therefore when they execute him, let's do a nice slow painful death so he can fully understand the consequences of his actions.

Oh I agree, perhaps the same way they killed their victims? I would hae no problem with that at all!