06-23-2012, 01:50 AM
I get it, Dick. If it walks like a duck...
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I know the timing/sequence of events. I believe that Holder deliberately lied, though I don't want to believe it. After all, "lying is a state of mind". Ha.
You are correct. I am now looking at it, all this time later, from the perspective of what can be done about it and can it be proven that Holder wasn't just speaking in error or misinformed? I think that the internal documents that were subpoened and are now being protected under privilege are what Issa needs to prove that a deliberate lie was told to the Congress. Without those docs (for the sake of argument, let's assume that they contain proof that the DOJ's strategy was to lie to Congress), I think this investigation will fail to result in a resignation or an impeachment. I think the docs will remain covered by deliberative executive privilege.
The buck stops with Holder, imo. If Obama was lying when he first denied knowledge and is now using privilege to cover up, the buck got kicked up to his box, imo.
These are my opinions, based on the same circumstantial evidence that you and Jimbone have put forth and has been released to the public. But, I don't know for certain that my opinions wouldn't change with more facts and more disclosure (which are being withheld by the very person under suspicion, which is the problem, I know! - merry go round).
I'm just gonna keep listening and watching and reading. No matter what can or can't be proven, I remain disgusted with how the F&F operation was mismanaged and frustrated with the bullshit.
I know the timing/sequence of events. I believe that Holder deliberately lied, though I don't want to believe it. After all, "lying is a state of mind". Ha.
You are correct. I am now looking at it, all this time later, from the perspective of what can be done about it and can it be proven that Holder wasn't just speaking in error or misinformed? I think that the internal documents that were subpoened and are now being protected under privilege are what Issa needs to prove that a deliberate lie was told to the Congress. Without those docs (for the sake of argument, let's assume that they contain proof that the DOJ's strategy was to lie to Congress), I think this investigation will fail to result in a resignation or an impeachment. I think the docs will remain covered by deliberative executive privilege.
The buck stops with Holder, imo. If Obama was lying when he first denied knowledge and is now using privilege to cover up, the buck got kicked up to his box, imo.
These are my opinions, based on the same circumstantial evidence that you and Jimbone have put forth and has been released to the public. But, I don't know for certain that my opinions wouldn't change with more facts and more disclosure (which are being withheld by the very person under suspicion, which is the problem, I know! - merry go round).
I'm just gonna keep listening and watching and reading. No matter what can or can't be proven, I remain disgusted with how the F&F operation was mismanaged and frustrated with the bullshit.