Pitbull kills toddler.......yet again.

[The Antagonist]

I am pro-rights and fully support the Second Amendment. I don't blame or demonize objects like OP does for people killing each other and I do not believe in watering down rights because some people abuse or misuse them. That is not vigilantly guarding our rights and freedoms. However, unlike guns, animals can and do get up on their own to go hurt people. The types that are either hard to control or are especially dangerous, like tigers, are not appropriate for residential areas as you know. It is under that umbrella that pitbulls may fall due to their exceptionally powerful bite and difficulty to get off their victim. They can and do escape yards and houses and go hurt and kill kids, for whatever reason. That is my point. I know any dog can do that but like I said, you have to draw a line somewhere ... just like we do right now with so many animals.

I truly hope you had a lack of better wording in your head because that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say.
Do you really think animals get up out of the blue and decide to go on a murderous rampage?

I know OP posted this topic to goad me into posting and I've resisted until now because I know the stupidity that would ensue but that takes the cake.

People are irresponsible with anything and everything. Animals don't get up and decide to go on a killing streak. That is a fact even with a prey animal like tigers which see anything made of meat as FOOD. Again, not getting up and deciding on a murderous rampage, but out to hunt.

So Frank, you think terriers should be only on farms? Because EVERY terrier no matter the size has the same temperament as pits. They all have the ability to clamp down. Do you think that regulating them to farm areas will stop them running lose and "get up on their own to go hurt people"? In fact it probably will do the opposite. Dumbasses will see the open space and say, "Hey, there's no one around and all this open space, I think Rex should go out and run freely." Yeah that's a good idea.
More open space, more room to hide illegal activity, less cops to find the problem and stop it quickly.

So you got the criminal element away from you. You got the problem out of the city. Does it stop though? Will it stop the criminals from getting the dogs and bringing them into the city anyway? No it won't.

Not everyone should be allowed to keep these kinds of dogs and I've been working with local legislation to prevent banning and good dog ownership. Banning only takes things away from the good people.

The fact remains that banning does not work. This story took place in the UK and the words in the title of the thread 'yet again' indicate this happens often in the UK where it's banned. Does that tell you the bans work? No it tells me the bans don't.

I pay the higest taxes and insurance premiums in the country because of all the criminal element out there doing as they please. I am the one regulated and taxed and restricted to death on what I can do, keep and house in my own home because the criminals are doing what they want when they want and where they want without regard to the rules and regulations everyone else abides by.

I'm tired of my freedom chipped away because of the misdeeds of those who have no regard for the rules or can't seem to control themselves like normal well behaved people.

Instead of looking away so much our law enforcement agencies should be working on doing their fucking job. For every good cop, judge, legislator out there there are two bad ones undermining their good work.

OP is correct when he said many (too many IMO) buy these dogs as fashion accessories or extensions of their machismo. They want to look tough and in this process managed to ruin a perfectly good breed of dog with poor husbandry and irresponsible ownership. But banning and regulating will only find a replacement and that breed will be maligned the same way.
It started with Dobies, then Rotties, GSD and on and on. Those who like to regulate and ban will be happy only when you are allowed teacup size dogs to keep so the bites are small.

Let your greyhound out to hunt Frank.... let him do his natural thing and see what damage in a short time he can do to a rabbit or deer. Dogs don't need strong jaws to do damage and kill.

Agreed. I guess my point is the case against pitbulls for residential areas seems valid to me and not over the top.

the only problem I see with your position is that erosion of our rights underlies all regulation.

if the government local of federal are allowed to regulate the right to own a certian type of dog then the next thing they will want to regulate what type of weapon we can own, and then they will make us wear seat belts in our own vehicles and then they will try to make us pay them for the right to drive them on PUBLIC roads and make us pay for that right every year, you know once you start letting regulation take place on personal freedoms there will just be no stopping them, those bastards will eventually think that they can tax our pay check 35 or 40% or more force us to buy health insurance ,or pay for the right to own property ,it will just never stop.

I think its best if we don't let them regulate our personal freedoms.::bigsmile::

EXACTLY.

People are forgetting what our country was founded upon.