06-21-2012, 04:02 PM
Quote:Dick wrote:
Do you think that the gun shops didn't have an agreement with the justice dept holding themselves harmless in the illegal sale of firearms?
I don't know. Has this been verified to be a fact?
Quote: Dick wrote:
Have the shop owners been arrested and charged? have any rogue agents been indicted or fired? weren't those in charge of fast and furious given promotions and moved to another area in the justice dept?
I don't know. Have "rogue agents" been verified to have existed and been identified?
I do believe I read about some related promotions within the Justice Dept sometime back, can't say for sure.
Quote:Dick wrote:
The facts are simple until a person becomes an apologist for them.
It's then that the facts become a real problem and all of the what ifs come out.
The simple fact is there are only 2 possibilities, they either knew or they didn't and either way they are guilty of giving the orders or not knowing what was going on in their positions.
The buck stops where?
The buck ultimately stops with Holder, imo. If Holder committed any crime or gross negligence of duties and Obama knowingly assists him, Obama's responsible as well. However, at this time, I don't know what comprises "the buck".
I don't form definitive opinions and make positive assertions as quickly as do you, Dick. I like to know what the fuck really went down before I convict or impeach anybody. Sometimes, it's so obvious that we'll never know the truth because it's being withheld for nefarious reasons that I can form a strong opinion against someone/something based on that alone. In this case, I'd need more to mentally convict or absolve Holder and/or Obama.