03-02-2016, 06:01 PM
(03-02-2016, 05:30 PM)Maggot Wrote: When one thinks about it children today are fairly fucked up. They have evolved from having some kind of conscious into idiots with no common sense or empathy. I'm not sure if its violent games, movies, television, loss of religious indoctrination or a motivating factor to do the right thing. But when kids go crazy and start shooting up their own families with any gun they can get their grubby paws on because they have to get up and go to school I tend to think the problem is not the gun.
If guns were gone they would find something else. So take away my oxygen and feed me nitro and I might think that a gun is the issue but I believe its not. Its society and a loss of self sufficiency that is the problem.
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People really need to stop looking for the easy way out and start addressing the real problem before junior figures out a way to split an atom in the basement.
No one was vilifying the gun or the boy in the Arizona murder/suicide case Maggot. You and Gunnar keep suggesting that's the case, but there's not one post to support that inaccurate insinuation.
We're saying it's reasonable for the kid to be held legally accountable for his actions under existing law in the juvenile criminal justice system. It's not confusing nor complicated. It's one way to address the issues you mention in your post; holding teens responsible for their choices when they disobey and/or break the law. Good/proactive parenting goes a long way too, of course.
So, once again...............If the kid in the story at hand had sneaked his parents' car, driven it to another 15-year-old kid's house and secretly given the friend the keys and permission to use his parents' car for any reason.......and the friend ended up getting caught driving it or the car ended up being used as a murder/suicide weapon, the same argument for holding the kid legally responsible for transferring his parents' car to another ineligible minor would apply.