03-05-2024, 10:03 PM
(03-05-2024, 09:24 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:(03-05-2024, 03:30 PM)rothschild Wrote: I never had a problem with "death to South African apartheid", but that's me.
Israel is worse than apartheid was, imo.
Why not just say "Death to apartheid"? Why use the qualifier "South African"?
Continuing with the use of a qualifier . . .
Like apartheid, Zionism is an ideology. No question South Africa was an apartheid state . . . and you have so noted that Israel is a Zionist nation. Again, both apartheid and Zionism are ideologies . . . not states or nations.
So, why not just say "Death to Israeli Zionism" . . . or better yet: "Death to Zionism".
It's the extremist Zionism, and all it entails, that appears to boil your blood. Unless, of course, you want the literal death and destruction of Israel as the cure to eliminate Israeli Zionism.
If there is any disingenuousness, it is the targeting of a nation and it's people . . . and NOT the ideology . . . then pretending that the real meaning is a singular abhorrence of an ideology that exists, solely within Israel and all of its people.
"Death to Israel" encompasses way more than Zionism . . . and you know that, too.
If Zionism manifests as a state, then in that particular instance Zionism is a state. Prior to the establishment of Israel, Zionism was an ideology and a movement.
"Nation" can reference a people organized under a single government, it can reference a government per se, and it can reference the territory occupied by the people of a nation. Are you a mind reader?
Your logic entails the extermination of all Israelis, some of whom -- as you may know -- are not Jewish, so I think qualifiers are helpful for the sake of clarity. I referenced South Africa because in that instance apartheid manifested as a state.