ISRAEL VS. PALESTINE...AGAIN

[BlueTiki]

I never had a problem with "death to South African apartheid", but that's me.
Israel is worse than apartheid was, imo.

Why not just say "Death to apartheid"?  Why use the qualifier "South African"?

Continuing with the use of a qualifier . . . 

Like apartheid, Zionism is an ideology.  No question South Africa was an apartheid state . . . and you have so noted that Israel is a Zionist nation.  Again, both apartheid and Zionism are ideologies . . . not states or nations.

So, why not just say "Death to Israeli Zionism" . . . or better yet:  "Death to Zionism".
 
It's the extremist Zionism, and all it entails, that appears to boil your blood.  Unless, of course, you want the literal death and destruction of Israel as the cure to eliminate Israeli Zionism.

If there is any disingenuousness, it is the targeting of a nation and it's people . . . and NOT the ideology . . . then pretending that the real meaning is a singular abhorrence of an ideology that exists, solely within Israel and all of its people. 


"Death to Israel" encompasses way more than Zionism . . . and you know that, too.

If Zionism manifests as a state, then in that particular instance Zionism is a state. Prior to the establishment of Israel, Zionism was an ideology and a movement.

The goal of Zionism (as either an ideology or movement) was to establish an independent physical “state”, as a home and sanctuary, for the world’s Jews.

Zionism begat Israel.  Goal achieved . . . a separate and independent territory and refuge, for the world’s Jews.

I get it.  You don’t believe the world’s Jews should have a separate independent territory, refuge and a home . . . free from threats or extermination.

But it appears you do support the same precepts, proposed within Zionism, for Palestinians.  Interesting. 

"Nation" can reference a people organized under a single government, it can reference a government per se, and it can reference the territory occupied by the people of a nation. Are you a mind reader?

I never considered myself a mind reader.

I simply took the unambiguous and literal “Death to Israel” as all-encompassing and totality
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The “Death to Israel” chant is specific . . . without subtlety . . . absent specifics, qualifiers, or clarification.

Your logic entails the extermination of all Israelis, some of whom -- as you may know -- are not Jewish, so I think qualifiers are helpful for the sake of clarity. I referenced South Africa because in that instance apartheid manifested as a state.

Apartheid was limited to a particular nation or state (and a territory controlled, by South Africa).

By your assessment, the same is true for Zionism.

You were specific of what you wanted to “die” in South Africa by using the country and the practice. Not South Africa . . . but a specific institution, of that nation.  The statement was clear and unambiguous of what you wanted South Africa to do.

Not so with Israel.

RC, if you only want the death of Zionism in Israel, and not the nation, use the same specifics instead of dancing around like a liberal stooge explaining why I should have known what you meant and you really are not a genocidal douche canoe.

I’m not a mind reader nor is it illogical to believe that “Death to Israel” means death to a nation, its territory, its institutions, beliefs, and all its people.