ISRAEL VS. PALESTINE...AGAIN

[rothschild]

The goal of Zionism (as either an ideology or movement) was to establish an independent physical “state”, as a home and sanctuary, for the world’s Jews.

Zionism begat Israel. Goal achieved . . . a separate and independent territory and refuge, for the world’s Jews.

I get it. You don’t believe the world’s Jews should have a separate independent territory, refuge and a home . . . free from threats or extermination.

But it appears you do support the same precepts, proposed within Zionism, for Palestinians. Interesting.

That state has to be maintained, and the means by which it was established -- ethnic cleansing -- has to be denied, or the Zionist state goes down the same way the apartheid state in South Africa did.

According to the last Ottoman census there were 500,000 people in the region known as Palestine. Do you find it "interesting" that they've resisted dispossession?

If Palestine had been "a land without people for a people without land", which has been claimed, there would be no ongoing conflict. The Zionists staked a claim, the world acknowledged it, end of. The fly in the ointment is that it was not an empty land, and the people Israel has done it's best to drive off have steadfastly refused to give up their claim, and have paid dearly for it while the world has stood by and watched in silence.

I never considered myself a mind reader.

I simply took the unambiguous and literal “Death to Israel” as all-encompassing and totality.

The “Death to Israel” chant is specific . . . without subtlety . . . absent specifics, qualifiers, or clarification.


Apartheid was limited to a particular nation or state (and a territory controlled, by South Africa).

By your assessment, the same is true for Zionism.

You were specific of what you wanted to “die” in South Africa by using the country and the practice. Not South Africa . . . but a specific institution, of that nation. The statement was clear and unambiguous of what you wanted South Africa to do.

Not so with Israel.

RC, if you only want the death of Zionism in Israel, and not the nation, use the same specifics instead of dancing around like a liberal stooge explaining why I should have known what you meant and you really are not a genocidal douche canoe.

I’m not a mind reader nor is it illogical to believe that “Death to Israel” means death to a nation, its territory, its institutions, beliefs, and all its people.

If I'd referenced South Africa instead of South African apartheid it would have made no sense because South Africa is no longer an apartheid state. Israel is very much a Zionist state, and were that not the case I don't think we'd be having this discussion.

If I'd said "death to South Africa" during the time of apartheid, do you honestly believe that would by necessity be calling for the death of all Afrikaners?

I've shown that "nation" doesn't necessarily refer to the people who live in it, yet you insist there is only one correct interpretation in spite of the fact that Zionism is the core institution of Israel. Is it implausible that people who say "death to Israel" hate Zionism rather than Jews per se? Hardly.