07-19-2015, 10:01 AM
There are a lot of good replies here and I like that there is a place to discuss this stuff with less vitriol and more reason. Just saying.
Speaking for myself re:drugging vs. alcoholic lubrication- I have never enjoyed or encouraged a girl getting loaded to be with me and in fact know several occasions where it lessened or ruined the experience for me and one or two times I actually ended a "sure thing" date because she wanted to get drunk before fucking. I always kind of see it as a personal rejection if somebody has to be blasted to see me naked. But that's my neurosis.
Meanwhile, here is a real life change of conditions for discussion. I think we all can agree that rufies->uunconscious sex=rape, but how about this?
Worldly and drug - using man meets naive innocent farmgirl, sweet talks her and woos her into a romantic tryst, but slips large doses of amphetamines in her drink before having his way with her. The amphetamines act as a wild aphrodesiac, the sex is every incredible fireworks story she's ever heard and lasts hours. Which he does again and again until she thinks it's true love soul mate fairytale stuff. This continues for months or even years as he drugs her secretly to loosen her compliance for his kinked desires. Eventually by the time she figures out the drug connection she is hooked to both lifestyle and drugs.
Is it rape?
Speaking for myself re:drugging vs. alcoholic lubrication- I have never enjoyed or encouraged a girl getting loaded to be with me and in fact know several occasions where it lessened or ruined the experience for me and one or two times I actually ended a "sure thing" date because she wanted to get drunk before fucking. I always kind of see it as a personal rejection if somebody has to be blasted to see me naked. But that's my neurosis.
Meanwhile, here is a real life change of conditions for discussion. I think we all can agree that rufies->uunconscious sex=rape, but how about this?
Worldly and drug - using man meets naive innocent farmgirl, sweet talks her and woos her into a romantic tryst, but slips large doses of amphetamines in her drink before having his way with her. The amphetamines act as a wild aphrodesiac, the sex is every incredible fireworks story she's ever heard and lasts hours. Which he does again and again until she thinks it's true love soul mate fairytale stuff. This continues for months or even years as he drugs her secretly to loosen her compliance for his kinked desires. Eventually by the time she figures out the drug connection she is hooked to both lifestyle and drugs.
Is it rape?
Thank god I am oblivious to the opinions of others while caught in the blinding splendor of my own cleverness.