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Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALBACH?
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Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALBACH?

Has anyone else been watching this documentary series on Netflix regarding the Steven Avery trials? Crazy good watch that really exposes a lot of interesting details surrounding all of the details with the cases he was "involved" in. Curious to hear thoughts if anyone has watched it





12-31-2015 01:25 AM
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RE: Making a Murderer

(12-31-2015 01:25 AM)an0n Wrote:  Has anyone else been watching this documentary series on Netflix regarding the Steven Avery trials? Crazy good watch that really exposes a lot of interesting details surrounding all of the details with the cases he was "involved" in. Curious to hear thoughts if anyone has watched it
Yeah I finished it the first week it was available.





12-31-2015 11:13 AM
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RE: Making a Murderer

(12-31-2015 01:25 AM)an0n Wrote:  Has anyone else been watching this documentary series on Netflix regarding the Steven Avery trials? Crazy good watch that really exposes a lot of interesting details surrounding all of the details with the cases he was "involved" in. Curious to hear thoughts if anyone has watched it

OK, now you have my attention. Will have to give it a look this weekend






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RE: Making a Murderer

I've just finished it. I came here specifically to hear others' thoughts on it. I don't remember the case at all, is there a thread here about it??





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(01-06-2016 04:51 PM)ScientistsCanvas Wrote:  I've just finished it. I came here specifically to hear others' thoughts on it. I don't remember the case at all, is there a thread here about it??

Okay, I watched the entire documentary.

As much as it would appear that the Manitowoc County Sherrif's Dept had it out for Avery, at the end of the day I do believe he committed this crime.

In 2009 he apparently tried to say his brothers framed him so that they could get control of the family business, and because they were jealous that he was about to win the settlement for the wrongful conviction in the 1980's.

I also believe his nephew was there and participated.

The show was very good, and definitely left me wondering and shaking my head at times, but I personally think the right people are behind bars.





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I watched the first few episodes. I am always struck at how some people seem to have star crossed lives. That guy couldn't catch a break if you tossed it to him underhand.






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RE: Making a Murderer

(12-31-2015 01:25 AM)an0n Wrote:  Has anyone else been watching this documentary series on Netflix regarding the Steven Avery trials? Crazy good watch that really exposes a lot of interesting details surrounding all of the details with the cases he was "involved" in. Curious to hear thoughts if anyone has watched it

We're going to start watching the documentary tonight an0n; interesting case.

There is no existing thread for this one, so I added to your thread title to make it easier for those searching to discuss it.

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Based on everything I've read about the evidence, I tend to believe that Steven Avery ^ is right where he belongs and LE got the right men, but not necessarily the right way. However, I'm open minded and the documentary may sway me.

Anyway, the exposure generated by the series has certainly benefited Avery tremendously. Kathleen Zellner is about as good as it gets when it comes to defense attorneys achieving exonerations for their convicted clients. She just announced that she will be taking over his defense. Avery' mother and supporters are elated.





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RE: Making a Murderer

Since Avery is all out of appeals, he won't get a new trial based on procedural error or anything of that nature. Compelling new evidence must be obtained. I'm sure Zeller and the Midwest Innocence Project will be poring over everything in the case files, re-interviewing witnesses, and looking for potential new suspects.

Avery previously blamed his brothers for killing Teresa Halsbach after she disappeared while visiting the family's salvage yard to take a photo for Auto Trader magazine and her car key was found in Steven Avery's bedroom, along with her car and charred bones found at the salvage yard.

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It now appears the finger is being pointed at her own brother, Michael, pictured above with Teresa (RIP).

The Daily Mail has a good overview of where things stand now and several photos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...awyer.html





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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALSBACH?

(01-09-2016 01:23 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Since Avery is all out of appeals, he won't get a new trial based on procedural error or anything of that nature. Compelling new evidence must be obtained. I'm sure Zeller and the Midwest Innocence Project will be poring over everything in the case files, re-interviewing witnesses, and looking for potential new suspects.

Avery previously blamed his brothers for killing Teresa Halsbach after she disappeared while visiting the family's salvage yard to take a photo for Auto Trader magazine and her car key was found in Steven Avery's bedroom, along with her car and charred bones found at the salvage yard.

[Image: 2FEA58F800000578-3390443-image-a-23_1452264990150.jpg]
It now appears the finger is being pointed at her own brother, Michael, pictured above with Teresa (RIP).

The Daily Mail has a good overview of where things stand now and several photos: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...awyer.html
He and her ex boyfriend were always the suspects I've been most interested in. Unlike MS, I don't think Avery or his nephew did it. Quite frankly, I think the jury was left with evidence that was likely manufactured but was not able to be ruled out. I don't think anyone in the Avery family has the intelligence to pull off something like this. The key in question is one of the most suspect pieces of evidence. Theresa's own DNA and finger prints were not found on her car key. And if memory serves me, the key wasn't found until their 7th day of searching the Avery residence.





01-12-2016 02:48 PM
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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALSBACH?

BG, I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, and the key and blood evidence sure look suspicious, however, have you read about Avery's phone calls to Theresa the day she disappeared?

First, he called AutoTrader asking them that she specifically be sent to his residence that day. She had been there before and had commented to her friends that Avery creeped her out.

He then calls her twice before she arrives using the 'private' feature that doesn't identify his phone number. He does this to ensure that she's still on her way.

Then, around 4:45, he dials her personal number a third time, this time w/o the private feature, obviously to try and create an alibi.

However, he's already murdered her at this point.

The nephew was involved too.

He wasn't smart enough to fabricate the story he came up with.





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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALSBACH?

(01-12-2016 03:13 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  BG, I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, and the key and blood evidence sure look suspicious, however, have you read about Avery's phone calls to Theresa the day she disappeared?

First, he called AutoTrader asking them that she specifically be sent to his residence that day. She had been there before and had commented to her friends that Avery creeped her out.

He then calls her twice before she arrives using the 'private' feature that doesn't identify his phone number. He does this to ensure that she's still on her way.

Then, around 4:45, he dials her personal number a third time, this time w/o the private feature, obviously to try and create an alibi.

However, he's already murdered her at this point.

The nephew was involved too.

He wasn't smart enough to fabricate the story he came up with.
Yeah, so speaking of phone records... What about the carrier's claim that her voice mail was accessed and messages deleted? Did Avery also do that? No, the ex-BF admitted to having access to her voice mail. So yeah, him calling auto trader, and the photog regarding her coming out to photograph the van doesn't really seem all that suspicious, but deleted voice mails do. Regarding the nephew's story, I agree. He isn't smart enough to make up any story. He was coerced into following the story line the cops and PI told him to tell. That's actually well exhibited in the doc MS.





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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALSBACH?

So BG, you're a believer that this is a giant conspiracy?

That there's got to be somebody (maybe more than 1 person) that the cops have essentially set free, in order to frame Avery and save the Manitowoc County Sherriff's Dept from having to pay out a ginormous settlement?

Or worse yet, might you believe that the cops killed Theresa themselves in order to frame Avery?

That's almost too hard to fathom when you're talking about rural Wisconsin.





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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALSBACH?

(01-12-2016 05:18 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  So BG, you're a believer that this is a giant conspiracy?

That there's got to be somebody (maybe more than 1 person) that the cops have essentially set free, in order to frame Avery and save the Manitowoc County Sherriff's Dept from having to pay out a ginormous settlement?

Or worse yet, might you believe that the cops killed Theresa themselves in order to frame Avery?

That's almost too hard to fathom when you're talking about rural Wisconsin.
Yeah, you're right. It's not like anyone has ever been railroaded in Manitowoc before right? What could I have been thinking? hah





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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALSBACH?

And here's a link to some of the evidence that was excluded from MAM:
http://www.avclub.com/article/read-pro-s...%3ADefault





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