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Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALBACH?
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(01-14-2016 10:53 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  Cutz, all of your points make some sense except for: A) the cops burning the body? So, they either brought her on to the Avery property and burned her while no one watched, or, you're suggesting, they burned her elsewhere and transported her remains back to Avery's? That's a tough one for me to buy. And B) me, creepy? I'm still too handsome to be considered creepy, and I prefer women at least 40.
An expert has already testified that the fire on the Avery property wasn't hot enough to burn the victim to the degree that her remains were burned MS.





01-14-2016 11:44 AM
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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALBACH?

(01-14-2016 11:44 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  
(01-14-2016 10:53 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  Cutz, all of your points make some sense except for: A) the cops burning the body? So, they either brought her on to the Avery property and burned her while no one watched, or, you're suggesting, they burned her elsewhere and transported her remains back to Avery's? That's a tough one for me to buy. And B) me, creepy? I'm still too handsome to be considered creepy, and I prefer women at least 40.
An expert has already testified that the fire on the Avery property wasn't hot enough to burn the victim to the degree that her remains were burned MS.

I choose to remain ignorant on this one then.





01-14-2016 11:55 AM
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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALBACH?

(01-14-2016 11:55 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  
(01-14-2016 11:44 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  
(01-14-2016 10:53 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  Cutz, all of your points make some sense except for: A) the cops burning the body? So, they either brought her on to the Avery property and burned her while no one watched, or, you're suggesting, they burned her elsewhere and transported her remains back to Avery's? That's a tough one for me to buy. And B) me, creepy? I'm still too handsome to be considered creepy, and I prefer women at least 40.
An expert has already testified that the fire on the Avery property wasn't hot enough to burn the victim to the degree that her remains were burned MS.

I choose to remain ignorant on this one then.
I'm thinking it's like HoTD claims. Only those who haven't seen the Doc, but have read about a few crimes and consider themselves some sort of an internet authority are the only people who aren't ignorant MS.hah





01-14-2016 12:17 PM
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RE: Making a Murderer -- DID STEVEN AVERY REALLY KILL TERESA HALBACH?

If the state's anthropologist testifies that it's highly unlikely the burning of a body had been done anywhere other than where the remains were found (as was the testimony in Avery's murder trial), the defense would typically hire an expert to testify to an opposite opinion when the defense strategy is 'frame up'.

It's scientifically impossible to say with 100% certainty that those remains were burned where they were found, but I don't personally believe they were planted.





01-14-2016 12:19 PM
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(01-14-2016 12:17 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  I'm thinking it's like HoTD claims. Only those who haven't seen the Doc, but have read about a few crimes and consider themselves some sort of an internet authority are the only people who aren't ignorant MS.hah

Derp.

I claimed none of what you've attributed to me. I didn't say that people who haven't watched the Doc are more informed than people who have, or anything like that. YOU claimed that comments and opinions stemming from sources other than the documentary were ignorant. YOU did that.

I clearly stated that whether people have only watched the series, or only followed the case previously, or both -- all comments are welcomed in this thread. It's not hard to grasp Gunnar, except to you.

And, YOU asked if we really think that people with low IQs could commit such a crime and not leave a lot of physical evidence. I answered you; your claim that "morons aren't capable of committing terrible crimes without having left every type of physical evidence" is refuted by other crime cases. So, the fact that the Averys and Dasse have low IQs does not, on its own, render them less suspicious to me. Answering your question and giving examples, even when you don't apparently like the answer, doesn't equate to claiming to be an expert.

I honestly can't tell if you have a very serious comprehension problem, or instead just feel the need to make shit up when you get all defensive.





01-14-2016 12:56 PM
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Saw an interesting interview with Avery's ex fiancee that paints a whole different picture of him than what was shown in the documentary. Physical abuse, repeated threats on her life if she didn't "make him look good" etc. Guy was clearly no angel, and the doc and trial also left out key info about how he had repeatedly called to request that photographer to come out to his lot, and was basically stalking her.






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01-14-2016 01:08 PM
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(01-14-2016 12:56 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  
(01-14-2016 12:17 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  I'm thinking it's like HoTD claims. Only those who haven't seen the Doc, but have read about a few crimes and consider themselves some sort of an internet authority are the only people who aren't ignorant MS.hah

Derp.

I claimed none of what you've attributed to me. I didn't say that people who haven't watched the Doc are more informed than people who have, or anything like that. YOU claimed that comments and opinions stemming from sources other than the documentary were ignorant. YOU did that.

I clearly stated that whether people have only watched the series, or only followed the case previously, or both -- all comments are welcomed in this thread. It's not hard to grasp Gunnar, except to you.

And, YOU asked if we really think that people with low IQs could commit such a crime and not leave a lot of physical evidence. I answered you; your claim that "morons aren't capable of committing terrible crimes without having left every type of physical evidence" is refuted by other crime cases. So, the fact that the Averys and Masse have low IQs does not, on its own, render them less suspicious to me. Answering your question and giving examples, even when you don't apparently like the answer, doesn't equate to claiming to be an expert.

I honestly can't tell if you have a very serious comprehension problem, or you feel the need to make shit up when you get all defensive.
It's neither really. I just don't ever read your incredibly long replies because 1) usually the meaningful content is but one or two sentences and 2) You really aren't an expert when it comes to anything but puns and picking the nit. Blowing-kisses





01-14-2016 01:11 PM
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(01-14-2016 01:08 PM)Donovan Wrote:  Saw an interesting interview with Avery's ex fiancee that paints a whole different picture of him than what was shown in the documentary. Physical abuse, repeated threats on her life if she didn't "make him look good" etc. Guy was clearly no angel, and the doc and trial also left out key info about how he had repeatedly called to request that photographer to come out to his lot, and was basically stalking her.

Not sure it was the same interview, but I read what Jodi told Nancy Grace last night, Donovan.

She is an 'ex', so I consider that she could have ulterior motives. But what she described last night is definitely a very different picture of the relationship and her feelings about the 'alibi call' than was portrayed in the documentary.

The evidence against Avery that was left out of the series is more of an issue, to me. Some of it is important information to the case, like the fact that Avery specifically requested Teresa as the photographer, and the three phone calls MS mentioned upthread from Avery to Teresa on the day she disappeared - two of which made using the *67 feature.

Writing off the cat incident as a "stupid prank" was disingenuous; but that's what was done in the documentary footage. It couldn't have been used at his murder trial, so I'd either have left it out altogether or presented the actual guilty plea to the viewers if I was attempting to put forth an objective documentary. Avery's burglary bond was revoked in 1982 when he was busted on animal cruelty charges for pouring gasoline on the family cat and throwing it into a bonfire.





01-14-2016 01:42 PM
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(01-14-2016 01:11 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  It's neither really. I just don't ever read your incredibly long replies because 1) usually the meaningful content is but one or two sentences and 2) You really aren't an expert when it comes to anything but puns and picking the nit. Blowing-kisses

Your reply confirms that it's both, really.

1) Obviously, if you didn't read my incredibly long posts, you wouldn't be able to categorize what you consider meaningful or not.

2) And, you just restated what I already said -- I don't claim to be an expert, you just keep falsely claiming that I claim to be one. Plus, your definition of "picking the nit" appears to be pointing out that which is inconvenient for you.

I'm going to focus on the case in this thread, Gunnar. As always, I'll read all of the posts, long or short, by experts and novices -- it's all interesting to me. You're obviously free to skip posts that don't suit your fancy.

You can keep bullshitting and critiquing me and my posts instead; you'll have free rein to do so without further response from me.





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Here's the Nancy Grace segment and new interview excerpts with Jodi Stachowski, Avery's ex-girlfriend.








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(01-14-2016 01:55 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  
(01-14-2016 01:11 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:  It's neither really. I just don't ever read your incredibly long replies because 1) usually the meaningful content is but one or two sentences and 2) You really aren't an expert when it comes to anything but puns and picking the nit. Blowing-kisses

Your reply confirms that it's both, really.

1) Obviously, if you didn't read my incredibly long posts, you wouldn't be able to categorize what you consider meaningful or not.

2) And, you just restated what I already said -- I don't claim to be an expert, you just keep falsely claiming that I claim to be one. Plus, your definition of "picking the nit" appears to be that which is inconvenient for you.

I'm going to focus on the case in this thread, Gunnar. As always, I'll read all of the posts, long or short, by experts and novices -- it's all interesting to me. You're obviously free to skip posts that don't suit your fancy.

You can keep bullshitting and critiquing me and my posts instead; you'll have free rein to do so without further response from me.
So I take it this wasn't your idea?
https://teespring.com/manitowoc-frame-shop





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(01-14-2016 02:12 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  Here's the Nancy Grace segment and new interview excerpts with Jodi Stachowski, Avery's ex-girlfriend.



Drinky DUI ex-GF will never see the stand.





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I find her to be very believable.

Also, anyone that is capable of burning to death an animal is equally capable of doing what was alleged to Teresa Hallbach.





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(01-14-2016 01:42 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  pouring gasoline on the family cat and throwing it into a bonfire.


I hope he sits right where he is for the rest of his miserable life.

The only things I know about this case are what I've read in this thread. It takes a fucked up individual to deliberately hurt a defenseless animal. I wish him nothing but the worst for that alone. I hope he dies alone in agony.






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