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EXERCISING YOUR 1ST AMENDMENT
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(01-22-2017 02:42 AM)BigMark Wrote:  What is the life saving procedures?

You know that you can take some mental initiative and look things up yourself, right Biggie? Give it a shot sometime. The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Here's a head-start to help you answer your own question if you're actually interested in learning.........look up fetal cells in relation to polio vaccine development, vaccines for rubella, vaccines for shingles, vaccines for chickenpox, experimental Ebola vaccine, breast cancer treatment, HIV treatment, diabetes treatment, and Parkinson's treatment.

In terms of research, check out fetal tissue's importance in studying conditions that affect fetuses and newborn infants, brain injuries in the womb that lead to cerebral palsy, and eye conditions that lead to macular degeneration.





01-22-2017 03:08 AM
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(01-22-2017 01:32 AM)BigMark Wrote:  Aren't the ones who were selling fetal tissue on a massive scale?


You might want to do a little research on that and get your info from reputable sources.

Are you one who would prefer all of that be thrown into the trash rather than used to help others?

This March was about way more than abortions.






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01-22-2017 06:37 AM
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(01-22-2017 03:05 AM)blueberryhill Wrote:  "Big" (really little) Mark


I would be very careful about referring to Vietnam in your message to me.....I lost too many friends there and I find you to be very insulting, especially to women. What the hell do you know about Vietnam, anyway, jerk?


Or what? You're going to smack me over the head with your oxygen bottle?





01-22-2017 03:38 PM
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(01-22-2017 01:27 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  More than 90% of the public specialized services PP provides are women's health and family support services via government funding. A very small portion of their business is private abortions, but they are one of very view abortion providers in this country.

The PP organization couldn't likely stay afloat on private abortion services only, sally. That's the sole reason the religious and far right is always pushing to defund PP's separate public health services - they want to put PP out of business because PP is the biggest of the few abortion providers. The far right politicians want to make it difficult for some and impossible for others to access legal and professional abortion services.

Even if you take the private-pay abortions out of the equation, as I said, pushing specialized women's/family clinic care into the overburdened snail-paced county general systems would, in my experience and opinion, be a bad business decision in terms of quality and cost (a bad decision driven only by the desire of some to push their religious and moral mandates onto others).

It's not just health departments that offer health services to women at low to no cost. Imaging centers, health clinics, basic low cost insurance and hospitals also offer it. I do not believe that women's health will suffer if pp is defunded. I do believe that abortions will be harder to get, but there will still be providers. I'd rather see the money go to children who need health care.





01-22-2017 05:18 PM
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(01-22-2017 05:18 PM)sally Wrote:  It's not just health departments that offer health services to women at low to no cost. Imaging centers, health clinics, basic low cost insurance and hospitals also offer it. I do not believe that women's health will suffer if pp is defunded. I do believe that abortions will be harder to get, but there will still be providers. I'd rather see the money go to children who need health care.

Well, as I said, I don't believe that the types of health services that 1 in 5 women have been getting from PP for decades would be of equal quality and efficiency if the same funding money was given to overburdened health departments (or other general public health providers).

To make a change from something that works well and affects millions of women simply to punish an organization for providing legal private-pay abortions, thereby purposely making it more difficult for women to get abortions........ is both bad from a business perspective and wrong from an ethical perspective, in my opinion.

We just disagree on the importance of women's rights; not a problem. It's irrelevant to me that you and others believe that everyone who gets an abortion is a heathen, irresponsible, or poor. Even if that were true, I'd disagree with you that it's no big deal and just a bunch of bitches yapping.

Anyway, maybe you'll get your wish and a lot of women who can't afford the travel, can't get the time off, or don't have someone to help them get to and from a non-local professional abortion provider will just have unplanned/unwanted children (like what's happened in Texas), or they'll attempt to abort in non-medical or risky ways.

I hope not and support women who are collectively making their objections heard. But, we'll see if Trump really lets Ryan do it and whether the Trump administration attempts to overturn Roe v Wade when a new Supreme Court Justice is in place (as Pence has made clear he intends to do).





01-22-2017 06:50 PM
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(01-21-2017 10:14 PM)F.U. Wrote:  
(01-21-2017 09:05 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  control women's reproductive choices, obliterate women's health services for the neediest, prevent equal pay, etc.

Only thing I disagree with is it being ONLY a broads choice when it comes to abortion. I feel that dudes should have as much of a voice when it comes to the choice of their inborn brat.

Only if he is going to step up and take care of things. Otherwise, crank up the abortion machine





01-22-2017 07:12 PM
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Abort abort!





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(01-21-2017 04:11 PM)Duchess Wrote:  [size=medium][i]


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I bet there's enough hot flashes in the crowd to light a small city.






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(01-22-2017 07:23 PM)Maggot Wrote:  
(01-21-2017 04:11 PM)Duchess Wrote:  [size=medium][i]


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I bet there's enough hot flashes in the crowd to light a small city.

Ha! I think I could have lit it up by myself yesterday.





01-22-2017 07:41 PM
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They're power surges.






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(01-22-2017 06:50 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  We just disagree on the importance of women's rights; not a problem. It's irrelevant to me that you and others believe that everyone who gets an abortion is a heathen, irresponsible, or poor. Even if that were true, I'd disagree with you that it's no big deal and just a bunch of bitches yapping.

I never said that, you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was that if women don't want anyone deciding what they do with their bodies they should be more responsible. It's not just their body anymore after another body is developing inside. That doesn't mean I'm completely against abortion or think everyone who has one is a heathen. I just don't think it needs to be a convenient stop in EveryTown, USA and the money could go elsewhere without interfering with women's health.

In regards to poor women, what I said was I believe they would still have access to the same health services (other than abortion)regardless of their ability to pay.

And yeah, I think they are a bunch of yapping bitches. That part was true.





01-22-2017 07:55 PM
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I understand your view, sally.

Your assumptions are wrong, in my opinion; I disagree with your assessment of the women who are marching; and I think you sound like a backwards yapping bitch on this one.

But, I like you alright and respect you exercising your 1st amendment rights, regardless.





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^ Trump and a bunch of other men restricting women's rights, from Day 2 of his presidency. '(

Trump used to claim that he was 'very pro-choice'. Then, he said he'd changed his stance and that he was pro-life, though he also praised the excellent health care provided by Planned Parenthood.

Next.......... he solicited/negotiated the campaign support of evangelical Christians (which was essential to his election victory) and he named extreme evangelical Mike Pence as his VP. After which........... Trump swung all the way to the other end of the spectrum and said anti-abortion mindset would be a criteria for the next Supreme Court Justice. Very disappointing.

And so, as one of his first actions as President, Trump just signed an executive order designed to limit women's access to legal professional abortion procedures. The order prevents the government from funding any organizations which include abortion as one the options for women and couples to consider during family planning consultations. The order also prohibits funding to any health organizations that offer abortion services (even though the abortion procedures are legal, private-pay and not funded by the government anyway).





01-23-2017 04:26 PM
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This sucks for those of us who believe that women's rights to control their own reproduction choices should be respected. It's religious and moral majority driven bullshit; very disappointing for those of us who believe strongly that women's rights to control their own reproduction choices should be respected.

But, it's encouraging to see millions of people around the world standing together to protest those rights being threatened and restricted. I went to the women's march at the Civic Center for a bit on Saturday. Duchess is right -- people were there for a lot more than protecting abortion rights, but that was definitely a key issue for many of us. And, there were a lot of men and young people among the demonstrators, which was cool.

I'm supportive of Trump's executive efforts to cut regulatory fat, expand business, and ensure trade agreements are more fair and beneficial to the U.S. But, I totally oppose what he did just did to restrict women's rights. Republicans really need to keep their minds and hands off women's pussies and out of people's bedrooms, but they just can't help themselves. Sad!





01-23-2017 04:27 PM
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