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KAEPERNICK SUES FOR COLLUSION
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I grew up loving football, still listen to sports radio all day long driving around for work, and am more than familiar with the relative doings of all the major sports. Not just football. Now granted, I lost my hardcore fandom after my Broncos finally won a couple superbowls and I sent them a letter asking for my check for such avid support.

If you listen closely, on a clear day you can still hear them laughing.

Meanwhile, this isn't about whether liberals are trying to sissify football, or which bad behavior is worse than what, or whether or not some players are more deserving of roster spots than others, or any other whataboutism shit the conservative whiners are so good at. It's about workplace legal rights. And what the law says about job discrimination. Doesn't matter if Colin Kaepernick was the world's greatest QB or a fucking janitor. The law says, and I quote: " it is illegal to discriminate against any person based on color, creed, ethnicity, religious affiliation, disability, protected veteran status or as retaliation for political activity not specifically prohibited." These are basic civil rights, many of which were enacted in 1964 before the NFL was even much of a thing. None of it is new or a surprise at this point.

Bottom line: if Colin K can prove he was fired and kept out because of the kneeling and NOT because of skillset, he has a strong case. And it sure is looking solid right now. Hell, the idiot creamsicle in charge is winning it for him with every tweet.






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05-31-2018 09:52 AM
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(05-31-2018 09:52 AM)Donovan Wrote:  I grew up loving football, still listen to sports radio all day long driving around for work, and am more than familiar with the relative doings of all the major sports. Not just football. Now granted, I lost my hardcore fandom after my Broncos finally won a couple superbowls and I sent them a letter asking for my check for such avid support.

If you listen closely, on a clear day you can still hear them laughing.

Meanwhile, this isn't about whether liberals are trying to sissify football, or which bad behavior is worse than what, or whether or not some players are more deserving of roster spots than others, or any other whataboutism shit the conservative whiners are so good at. It's about workplace legal rights. And what the law says about job discrimination. Doesn't matter if Colin Kaepernick was the world's greatest QB or a fucking janitor. The law says, and I quote: " it is illegal to discriminate against any person based on color, creed, ethnicity, religious affiliation, disability, protected veteran status or as retaliation for political activity not specifically prohibited." These are basic civil rights, many of which were enacted in 1964 before the NFL was even much of a thing. None of it is new or a surprise at this point.

Bottom line: if Colin K can prove he was fired and kept out because of the kneeling and NOT because of skillset, he has a strong case. And it sure is looking solid right now. Hell, the idiot creamsicle in charge is winning it for him with every tweet.
Therein lies the problem. His body of work doesn't suggest he has a good skillset.





05-31-2018 05:09 PM
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Dono, you made valid points and I appreciate you laying out where you’re coming from.

Here’s the reason I think Kaep will not win his case:

He opted out of his contract and left the 49ers in March of 2017 to become an unrestricted free agent.

He wasn’t cut.

He left on his own accord and thought someone would present an even better contract to him as a FA.

Now, if you ask me, do I believe GM’s around the league had this conversation:

“Hey, are you going to take a swing at Kaep?”

“Nope, my owner says don’t touch him with a 10 foot pole.”

I’d believe those conversations occurred.

But, is that collusion? Or is it each individual owner deciding he doesn’t need the baggage that would come along with him?

Do I think the commish sent out (not in writing of course) a league wide edict that said “don’t sign Kaep”?

Nope, I don’t.





05-31-2018 06:11 PM
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Nobody wanted any crap, just someone to throw the friggin ball. There are plenty out there and its not like he was super great. It's not tough to come up with that conclusion, common sense all the way.






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05-31-2018 09:55 PM
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The problem rises from the fact that commander cheetoh kept publicly railing on the kneeling thing, the NFL has suddenly imposed a fine which will be subject to immediate lawsuit based on constitutionality, and now they say there is audio of thirty owners admitting they blackballed him. THAT is where his case will be won. It isn't about skillset at all and he knows it. And truthfully this probably suits his political motivation far more than going back on the field.






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05-31-2018 10:29 PM
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It wasn't like they showed them kneeling on television or the fans booing them. It really didn't matter much to me either way they could blow each other for all I care, just play ball.






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06-01-2018 02:25 PM
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06-01-2018 02:28 PM
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(05-31-2018 10:29 PM)Donovan Wrote:  The problem rises from the fact that commander cheetoh kept publicly railing on the kneeling thing, the NFL has suddenly imposed a fine which will be subject to immediate lawsuit based on constitutionality, and now they say there is audio of thirty owners admitting they blackballed him. THAT is where his case will be won. It isn't about skillset at all and he knows it. And truthfully this probably suits his political motivation far more than going back on the field.

If there really is an audio tape that would clinch it for him.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the tape doesn’t exist.





06-01-2018 02:48 PM
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A couple days ago his attorney said something dramatic was about to be made public but I guess that's what attorneys sometimes say.






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(06-01-2018 02:48 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  If there really is an audio tape that would clinch it for him.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the tape doesn’t exist.

There really is a leaked tape, which we covered upthread.

I think that's the one that Donovan is referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/sport...rnick.html

The NYT summary of some of the tape's content shows the owners, coaches, and players who were in the room were concerned and strategizing about how to handle Trump's damaging rhetoric and interference.

A player brought up Kaepernick specifically during the meeting but the coaches and owners did not speak of him (again, only based on the audio content summary from the NYT).

The NYT summary released to the public does not show collusion on its own.

However, Kaepernick's attorney says the audio proves collusion and that he has more evidence as well.





06-01-2018 03:37 PM
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HotD is correct. That is the tape I am talking about. The funny thing no one seems to reference or remember is that the anthem was NEVER a moment of reverence in the NFL before they seized on the patriotic fever after 9-11. Used to be, the anthem wasn't even televised and the players sat around the locker room before games. But the NFL started cranking up the military hype machine, and all of a sudden "support the troops" was synonymous with NFL pregame. That was when players started standing for the anthem, never before. And nobody gave two shits.






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06-01-2018 03:46 PM
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(06-01-2018 03:37 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  
(06-01-2018 02:48 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:  If there really is an audio tape that would clinch it for him.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the tape doesn’t exist.

There really is a leaked tape, which we covered upthread.

I think that's the one that Donovan is referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/sport...rnick.html

The NYT summary of some of the tape's content shows the owners, coaches, and players who were in the room were concerned and strategizing about how to handle Trump's damaging rhetoric and interference.

A player brought up Kaepernick specifically during the meeting but the coaches and owners did not speak of him (again, only based on the audio content summary from the NYT).

The NYT summary released to the public does not show collusion on its own.

However, Kaepernick's attorney says the audio proves collusion and that he has more evidence as well.

I guess that was my contention:

Whatever tape was out there, would not be the so-called Smoking Gun (shout out to Robert Cray).

I’m not dismissing the idea that some other evidence may exist, I’m just of the opinion he won’t win his case.





06-01-2018 05:36 PM
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Trump and Pence to Testify?

Kaepernick’s legal team is expected to seek federal subpoenas in the coming weeks to compel testimony from Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and other officials familiar with the president’s agenda on protesting NFL players, sources with knowledge of the quarterback’s collusion case against the NFL told Yahoo Sports.

Due to the nature of the rules in collective bargaining grievances, reeling in sworn testimony from the political sector will create at least one additional hurdle for Kaepernick’s camp. The quarterback’s legal team first must notify the system arbitrator of the need for targeted depositions beyond the boundaries of the agreement between the NFL and the player’s union.

That would entail presenting a detailed argument to the system arbitrator overseeing the grievance, spelling out the relevance and impact that testimony from Trump or others could have on the grievance. If the arbitrator rules the testimony would be justifiable, that would open the door for Kaepernick’s attorneys to seek the subpoenas in a district court under the Federal Arbitration Act.

The aim will be a dive into the administration’s political involvement with the NFL during Kaepernick’s free agency and the league’s handling of player protests, sources said. This after recent disclosures that multiple owners had direct talks with Trump about players kneeling during the national anthem. The content of those conversations between Trump and owners – as well as any forms of pressure directed at the league by the administration – are expected to shape the requests to force the testimony of Trump, Pence and other affiliated officials, sources said.


Full piece: https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-colin-k...14523.html





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