03-09-2019, 11:34 PM
(01-31-2019, 11:26 PM)Rootilda Wrote: How's that kool-aid taste?
Reality Check: Who decided to take away children at the US border?[*]
- 19 June 2018
The claim: US President Donald Trump says the Democrats created a law that separates children from parents who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.
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Verdict: There is no law on separating children from parents at the border, but rather a policy introduced recently by the Trump administration.
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The policy has led to 2,342 children being separated from families at the US Southwest border between 5 May and 9 June.
Changes under Mr Trump's Zero-Tolerance Policy include expediting the process to determine eligibility to remain, promptly removing those who are denied, and criminally prosecuting migrants for first-time border offences, which were previously treated as civil violations.
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Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents. But in addition to removing children from apprehended illegal migrants, children have been separated from asylum-seekers.
Seeking asylum is not illegal.
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The president blamed Democrats for the policy. In May, he urged putting "pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children (from) their parents once they cross the Border in the US".
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On 16 June, he tweeted "Democrats can fix their forced family break-up at the border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" and two days later accused the Democrats of being "weak and ineffective" with border security.
There is no law that mandates separating children from parents who cross the border illegally.
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In 1997, Democratic President Bill Clinton signed the Flores Settlement law that required unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US to be released to their parents, a legal guardian or an adult relative, If no relatives are available then the relevant government agency can appoint an appropriate adult to look after the child.
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And in 2008, Republican President George W. Bush signed an anti-trafficking statute that requires unaccompanied minors to be transferred out of immigration centres within 72 hours. Neither of these recommends separating families.
The policy is meant to deter illegal immigration.
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"If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
He followed this up in several interviews, saying, "We're doing the right thing. We're taking care of these children.
"Our policies are discouraging people from making children endure that treacherous journey."
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In February, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of a mother from Congo to have her seven-year-old daughter returned to her, after the little girl was held separately for more than four months during their application for asylum. The same organisation is seeking a nationwide injunction against separating families.
On 16 June, First Lady Melania Trump made the same assertion as her husband, blaming politicians for her husband's own policy.
Her spokesperson said: "Mrs Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...40d9d79b84
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol.../10780449/
https://www.apnews.com/d110c36836ab4003ad77396025616f04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...rI_XdkONIY
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/migra...?r=US&IR=T
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...es-libera/
Jam that disingenuous. "Obama did not have a policy of separating children from adults after crossing the US-Mexican border."
The Democrats don't even promote your bullshit. So straight from the outset you are lying and quite brazenly and for ideological propaganda.
So with that proven, let's look at the implications of separation and the implications of not separating.
1) If kids are separated then they are prevented from being put with potential predators both pedophiles and/or child traffickers who may purport to be their legal guardians. This prevents further trauma they may have suffered at predators hands.
2) If kids are separated then they may be prevented from being with their parents and legal guardians whilst in an alien country. This may give rise to trauma.
You see the problem here?
It is NOT a case that separation is morally good or morally bad. Both may lead to bad outcomes and the only way to reduce the bad outcomes relies SOLELY on the immigrants. They CHOOSE to come in and bypass the legal channels, that is fine, but there ARE consequences fr CHOOSING this.
The disingenuous attempt to present this as a moral evil on basis that parents are being separated from their children fails because the alternative is NO separation which leads to the morally reprehensible practices of keeping pedophiles and child traffickers with teh children that they claim. THAT would be really an immoral proposition WOULDN'T IT ROOTILIDA?
Why are You immoral Rootilda?
Reality checks are fun.